Why did you bump a two-week-old topic? Although I do appreciate the publicity, I just wish it wasn't... annoying.

Seriously, though? I have no idea.

How did this subject goes from Thompson gun to Chuck Norris then to a violin and a violin case?

@Sneaky B: Rifle? Overpowered? Surely you jest?

@1337: Not all Deuces are untrained. I've seen a couple who managed to rack up around 40 - 80 kills, but I have to agree with you. Most of them just squeeze the trigger and expect nearly all their shots to score.

*Sigh*

Word of advice, if you want realism, go for Operation Flashpoint.

If you want to run around like headless chickens shooting anything that moves (without the recoil), play something like Unreal Tournament or Quake.

AoS is good enough, for me at least.

I've noticed the lateral randomization as well, but it seems to average out for the most part. If I'm firing a longer burst and a trend develops I just move the mouse left or right slowly to compensate. Don't worry about where each individual shot is going... worry about the burst as a whole, tightening it down as much as possible on the target.

Now that I think about it, the SMG would actually be fine if the recoil were a bit more predictable. Right now, even if you're manually compensating you'll probably still end up way off target because the recoil tends to push your aim left or right in addition to upward. If it were more consistently vertical it would be trivial to stay on target at close range.

Yes,but since when has this game been know for realism :P

AoS soldiers aren't trained to put up with the recoil unless you are. The point is you are the soldier.

@Finshades: Exactly (although I wouldn't mind the SMG getting less accurate...).

Rifle needs more accuracy and SMG needs less block damage. End of story.

@AxleTheNinja: I can stay on target through a whole magazine, but few of the shots will hit due to the built in randmoness of the SMG's shots. Just crouch and sight and you'll be fine.

Tell you what: Go out and fire an SMG for yourself and come back and tell me there's no recoil (in which case I'll accuse you of feeding me BS, because you will be). Man up and stop wishing for CoD.

Um, are serious. A trained marksman can easily keep 10 shots from a 9mm smg on target at 100 yards.

Even if not all 10 hit, it still doesn't affect aim like it does in game. A regular person can keep their shots somewhere near what they are aiming at, but in AoS after firing 30 shots you're staring at the sky.

It makes no sense, if you want to talk about realism. (not that realism has any role in a game like this)

@SneakyBastard: Are you out of your freakin' mind? The rifle should be nerfed more than it is already? You're clearly delusional... the SMG would end up MORE accurate than the rifle, which is obviously not just unrealistic but hugely unbalanced.

@asdfzxc: I only said the recoil was totally uncontrollable if you were a twelve-year-old CoD kiddie. It's more controllable than that for a trained soldier, which is what I'd generally assumed the players in AoS were supposed to be (except for Deuces, which are UNtrained soldiers). The range in that video was, what, twenty or twenty-five yards? At that sort of range, staying on target is quite possible, both in real life and in the current version of AoS.

If and when he can hit the target ten times in a row on full-auto at 75 yards, I'll admit the recoil on the SMG is too much.

I dont like the damage to blocks that the smg does because you cant build anything, because ppl will shoot it down in seconds

According to the OP, firing an MP5 for ten rounds full auto will result in uncontrollable recoil that will make it impossible to stay on target past point blank.

Let's see how accurate this is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9RDxubJME0 (the SMG is an MP5 so I searched for that, this was the first result)

Well what do you know, he actually does stay pretty much on target for the whole thing. And when he uses burst fire, wait for it, ALL THREE SHOTS actually make it to the target (where in AOS the second shot would go three feet above the target). There's a reason why almost every soldier these days has automatic fire capabilities.

The rifle's accuracy is good enough, even though I used to kill more with the old one.

@PineApple: Full-autoing a SMG at a range any longer than a few feet? I am disappoint as well.

@1337101: Cheers for being awesomesauce sharshooters! \ O v O /

If anything, a fully automatic, near perfectly accurate (at all ranges) weapon would suck the fun right out of blasting a hole into the next poor sap you see in your sights.

(Fired a M16A1 for my ROTC, one the most awesome days in my life. O v O d)

The SMG is fine. You just shouldn't use it to snipe unless you know what you're doing.
Just give the rifle it's old accuracy back.

what really offended me was the use of (and everyone else)...i am dissapoint :D

Well the smg is not bad but its no match for the rifle. Smg should be improved or the rifle should be nerfed. I think the smg should be improved. And ignore this post if there is actually a feature to improve accuracy by crouching.

Better realistic than unbalanced as hell

^Bump

So the computer game HAS to be realistic

I agree, and to all the people saying that it doesn't matter about realism, I agree as well. What DOES matter is whether the game is fun or not, and I don't think the idea of 32 people running around with fully automatic perfectly accurate weapons sounds very fun. The SMG is fine as is, it does its job of being a CLOSE-QUARTERS weapon just fine.

Not you percy.

and then you call me a troll :(

...I'm not even going to follow that link. I'm nowhere near that gullible.

@Paperbox: That's pretty cool. Thank your brother for serving his country for me.

Lmao @ troll

Okay i want to know why everyone hates on COD don't say because it is unrealistic, don't hate on me please because everyone is just so hateful on it watch this video and don't say it is not nice. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEut-HtAWqg

my brothers in the army so i actually have witnessed and fire a 50 .cal AND NO i am not a 12 year old. my arm was disabled for a few days. the stock does nothing :(

@Mastur_Grunt: I'm going to operate on the assumption that you're being sarcastic, in which case my response is that I want AoS to be BETTER than CoD (it already is, but it's gone downhill slightly). I think that one way to stay better than CoD is make sure the gun mechanics make most mainstream shooters look rather silly (the old rifle mechanics were a prime example of this, actually. The best I've seen in any shooter, IMHO).