@TnuocEht: I've had to destroy my own stuff before, it's actually more fun than destroying other people's stuff.

^ This :3

If all your after is the rush of destroying something, build your own stuff, then destroy it.

Inb4flame I'm out guys.

i agree with firejetdragon, if you are caught griefing your own team, you should be shot into space

Destroying things belonging to the team you aren't currently on is legit. I will never even try to votekick anyone for this.

Destroying things belonging to the the team you are currently on is griefing, unless the structure actually turns out to be helping the enemy more than your own team. I will pretty much always try to votekick people for this.

Griefing... a tactic? Are you serious? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN ? ARE YOU AN ALIEN ? WHAT IS IT THAT MADE YOU THINK THAT ?

Griefing is a tactic if you grief the other team, if you grief your own team you just deserve to eliminated from this planet forever.

i agree with megadeuce
it is NOT cheating if you destroy enemy structures
and its is NOT cheating if you destroy cover for teammates to take the attention off yourself
BUT it is cheating if you were on green team and then change to blue team just to destroy cover for everyone and make your original team win
also if you are building a random tower then it is ok to grief it unless you are on a build only server

Griefing is to the point where I destroy 1 block I feel doesn't need to be there and I am immediately reduced to a slice of swiss cheese by my own team or have a votekick initiated for me after the current running spite kick is done. It's easy to assume and it is often a safe assumption.

What is more important here? That the majority, nongriefing part of the team have fun advancing forward and perfecting their defenses, or the one or two griefers get their satisfying fill for the day, reducing their team's defenses to nothing?

Sure, it's a tactic... A tactic to PO everyone. That's all it is.

"After all the teamkilling, lying, trolling, fake votekicking and labour they went through, they should be ALLOWED to see that bridge fall down."
If these are happening to them, it is for a reason and they most likely deserve it. I do not grief my team and these things hardly ever happen to me.

If you want to destroy blocks and feel success behind it, destroy your opposing team's fortifications. DO NOT team switch to destroy their blocks, just oppose them with your team.

Making the game less fun for everyone but yourself is a good way to kill the community.

If you're talking about griefing enemies, then yes, that's a tactic. But if you're on the blue team and you destroy the blue teams base, that's not a tactic, and you don't deserve to see it fall down. You deserve to be IP banned from AoS forever. And slapped in the face. With a fish.

Sapping is like, when you dig under a castle wall and light your tunnel support beams on fire to collapse it. If it's a big enough tunnel it a section of the wall comes down.

no greifing. nuff said.

Sapping is destroying the enemies buildings without teamswitching. Seems legit to me! I agree with Reuben in that it is silly to argue otherwise.

An example would be.

Blue player builds sniping tower.
Green player shoots blue player and knocks down sniping tower.
No team switching involved.

I think most of the controversy over if it is legit or not stems from people not knowing what sapping means and thinking it is team switch greifing.

Breaking the other team's stuff.

Sapping is what, exactly?

Sapping is entirely legit, and to argue otherwise is honestly ridiculous.

I wouldn't call it cheating, unless you switch teams and grief in order to help your original team win.

See this guy has the right idea.

you can also destroy the wall they're standing behind, that is a pretty funny thing to do, i think.

I'm Adolf Hitler I do what I please.

If there's somebody on your team you don't like, guess what you can do?

Ignore them. Or switch to the other team.

In war it does not matter if you like a person on your team or not. It is about whether you win the battle or you lose. Unless the person is griefing or teamkilling, at which point u have every right to kill him. But you do not need to grief to do that. Adding to my list.

Killing someone on your team because you don't like them by using griefing: NOT A TACTIC

That is not a tactic, it is killing for no reason other than "you don't like them" unless they are doing something overly bad you have no reason to kill them off.

i agree that griefing can be a form of cheating

Griefing is totally a tactic like when there some one on my team i don't like hiding behind cover i destroy his cover and watch him get killed then i do my evil laugh and do it all over again.

This is a dumb argument in which you lost the moment you posted.

camping/sniping: A TACTIC
barging in and destroying as many enemy structures as you can: A TACTIC
sneaking in from a flank and attacking: A TACTIC
tunneling underneath enemy territory: A TACTIC
griefing: NOT A TACTIC

Griefing is not a tactic it can be an underhanded form of cheating and is also one way to completely ruin this game. It is dumb that you think otherwise

Uh, if your team-mates build something autistic at the edge of the map, destroying it is definitely griefing. If I catch anyone doing it I'll ventilate their skull ;)

but having a structure destroyed is inevitable

Why do people get all worked up when you destroy there stupid buildings I thought this game was about killing people and destroying one race and anything in my way for pleasure I guess this isn't WWII .

It's not about destroying blocks, it's about doing it to piss people off and ruining the fun for everybody else.

If you want to destroy blocks, destroy the ones in A1, or, to actually be constructive and help, carve tunnels.

Also, let's not bring up that again, please.