i just wanted to stat how I would like classes implemented in the game, and other suggestions over complicate things, I think this keeps it simple while adding more depth

Nobody said you have to use an ironsight. That's why you can mod semi.png to become a scope.

Instead of using the name semi for a sniper, they should call it a sniper rifle, or a mosin nagant or scoped semi. Cause people don't typically use a iron sighted rifles as a sniper in vietnam.

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OP your thread title says it all. Already been suggested dozens of times, this thread is unnecessary.

i like the classes idea and the med and ammopacks
but weapons should be free choice

I'd rather stick with a rifle :yaoming:

since there are many class suggestions out there, i thought i might throw in my own ideas on the subject, this is an EXTREMELY simple class system
3 new things here:
Medpack: drop on ground, will despawn after 2 minutes, once picked up by a teammate it will bring their health back to 100
Supply box: drop on ground, will despawn after 2 minutes, once picked up if any teammate is low on ammo, blocks it will bring both ammo and blocks to regular
Pistol: does 40% the damage of the semi, and has less zoom and range.

Assault(SMG):smg/2 grenades/50 blocks
Sniper(Semi):Semi/2 grenades/50 blocks
Medic:Pistol/2 medpacks/50 blocks
Support:Pistol/2 supply boxes/80 blocks( blocks take 4 hits to take down as opposed to 3)

@Beret: With regards to why I reject the idea of no classes, I can honestly say that I find it unnecessary/superfluous, no offense. It's probably due to us having different play-styles and different points of view. As for the mounted machine gun, why not just increase the HP of the standard blocks/ nerf bullet damage vs blocks? (Give or take 5 - 8 rifle shots to destroy a single block)

The assault rifle sounds like a nice idea, hits harder and has slightly better accuracy than the SMG at the expense of rate of fire.

How about a class that has no blocks, but a machine gun with good accuracy and the SMG rate of fire, but can only be deployed by right clicking a redblock (it then locks itself on the redblock until you right click again) you still have a SMG or maybe a new pistol. But this weapon is powerful when used on a defensive position.

I don't see why not: Grenades especially should be able to clear them out.

Much like actual barbed wire, the real problem with dealing with the wire is the sound you make when getting rid of it.

can barbed wire be destroyed? like a few picks and just walk through? :D

There's so much support for concrete blocks it's amazing, but I can't help wondering if it would just destroy a player's ability to sap the enemy structures. A well defended intel cube (where the intel is surrounded by a cube of blocks) is almost impossible enough as it is to get into. Introduce the ability to create whole structures out of concrete and it would more or less break the entire game.

We really need some barbed wire blocks though. With barbed wire come traps, and with it a whole new dimension to the game.

for the mounted machine gun idea i think the best way to counter its distructive capabilities is to introduce concrete blocks, or a type of block that are much harder to destroy than a normal block.

my idea for a concrete block is one that is resistant to: gunfire, and shovels, only a pick or possibly a grenade or mortar (if they're added) can destroy it. however it would somehow take longer for its to "set" or "harden" meaning that it cannot be built "on-the-fly",

why not give everyone a second weapon that can do both what the SMG can and what the semi can do, although not as well?

You know furii, I read that and thought you were about to suggest an assault rifle. Which by the way, I would welcome into the game. It would work just as fine without classes as it would with them.

Fair enough Joseph- I can relate to what you're saying since I'm in the same boat going the other way- I can't comprehend why players would reject it if it doesn't disrupt their style of play- or even affect it. But perhaps we're just coming at it from different backgrounds or something?

@Beret: I can honestly say that I can understand why you'd want to remove the classes, but I cannot relate nor do I truly comprehend it. Sorry mate. :/

@Mega: You're not the only one who can't kill someone with the SMG without losing a substantial amount of life.

@Kaede: If nothing else, the SMG is an ambush weapon. Never meant for field battles.

@Furii: I have to say that I'd agree with you. A sidearm that's the middle road between the Semi and the SMG would be good.

Since you've been speaking of versatility so much in this post, I've an idea from that.

Instead of removing classes and giving everyone the ability to choose in the midst of the game, why not give everyone a second weapon that can do both what the SMG can and what the semi can do, although not as well? I'm saying that this game would do well with a sidearm. Imagine everyone having either a semi or an smg, but also a pistol to the side. With the pistol, semi users get a better chance at close range, and SMG users get a better chance at long range.

Been doing that, with the burst. No matter what, it's still not more effective at any range than the rifle.

@TheGreatKhan: I actually almost always use the sights, and I've found it to be more effective for me that way. To each his own, I suppose.

@Beret: I view the rifle as the "main" weapon, since it's pretty dependable in most situations. I use the SMG as a specialized weapon, to only be used briefly (sometimes even a single life) when I need to. Generally I use the SMG to destroy and clear forts, then set up an ambush for people trying to return. Once I run out of ammo, I chuck a few grenades into the ruins of the fort, and respawn. Generally by then my team has taken the position, leaving me a mostly safe return with the rifle to the front lines.

Thanks Genghis, I'll give that a shot.

@Kaede and MD

The key to the SMG is to not use the sights. Crouch down and fire it from the hip.

Same here, MD.

Honestly I only use the rifle anyway. I must have some sort of SMG-specific learning disability, since I can't learn to kill anyone with it without losing half my health in the fight :<

Well I never said anything about restricting it to just 2 guns, only about taking away classes. Hey, I hate Halo's two-gun-only system as much as the next guy- but this game is in beta: There's bound to be more weapons later, and this is an effective way to manage them.

With your first answer, what if you need to get (or hell, just WANT to get) across an area that that particular sniper is watching? Your method of 'adapting' is really just giving up. Gameplay possibility shut off. With both weapons available, it is your choice whether to give up -which is still an option open to you- or to proceed with the other weapon out.

With your second example, I was talking about intercepting a tunneller. Shooting them back after you respawn isn't going to bring your intel back, and without the SMG you're not going to tunnel down fast enough. Gameplay possibility shut off, yet again.

I do agree with you about there being a possible ammo problem, though. However if you combined the rifle and SMG ammo into the one pool that both take bullets from, for instance, it would make players a lot more careful about where they place their shots, I'll bet.

2 guns. Its like I'm really playing CAWWADOOTY.

So when I get sniped by a rifleman my SMG hasn't a hope of hitting, who's fault is it?

If you see the sniper first then you can adapt by avoiding or flanking them. You do not need to kill them to win. If he sees you first then you're dead regardless of what you are carrying.

Supposing I had a rifle and killed him, and then the next minute found myself in a situation perfect for the SMG? What then?

Someone just popped up in front of you? You can adapt by getting back or shooting them in the head. GRIEFING TIME? Use your pickaxe.

Both situations can be overcome by adapting. The only thing this would do is give spawn killers more ammo.

Thanks Kaede- I suppose I just really like emphasising, since so many people on the 'net either gloss over points or misinterpret them completely.

...All the time.

No, I like it, Beret. Gives your opinions a better voice.

The whole point of forcing you to choose is that you have to think and plan ahead.

I see, so your strategy is to decide before you even enter the game to attack a fort or reinforce a sniper spot which you have no way whatsoever of knowing the wherabouts of, or even if such a place exists at all in the first place?

Or is it that your grand plan is to pick a class at random, then wander aimlessly out into the fray to get cut to ribbons, and only then decide how you want to run your war?

...and you think my post was stupid?

Don't you realise that if you want to use just one gun, you still can? Nothing changes! For everybody else they're no longer forced down a blind narrow track of play just because their weapon dictates it. Picking up weapons is good but it's only a partial solution, since you still have to kill the right person before you get that gun.

also, your bold and italic text is doing a good job intimidating me

Haha sorry, I actually wondered if it was getting on anyone's nerves. I mostly use them to make walls of text easier to read by keeping the main points nice and clear -though still not clear enough for some it seems-

I'll try to tone it down in future.

I agree with Prioch. Picking up guns should be like it is in Halo. There's about 20 guns in that game but you can only carry two at a time. In Ace of Spades there are two guns and you should be able to carry one at a time. You walk over a dropped gun and press a button to swap it out.

-Compromise between being stuck with a single gun and having access to all guns always
-If you're out of ammo, you can swap an empty gun for a mostly-full one.
-More fun