^there are pics.

No pics?

^YEAH

bumping 2 month old threads FTW

Wow nice skin, keep up the good work flame.

P.S Whoever put that flame is a fagget tag doesn't know how to spell, and is also a faggot.

He could do it the way they did it in real life. Just add a scope to the rifle and call it a sniper rifle. For balance, the scope could have too much zoom to be practical at medium range (10-20x zoom).

meh, i've become accustomed to the rifles cone (aim jsut a touch to the right, anyone?) and am still getting occasional triple headshot and medium ranges. (think the square spawn area on hallway length).

The semi and smg are being changed, so whys it really even matter? Since this game has fog, the sniper just doesnt fit in. It works with other games because you can see the other side of the map, and its just a matter of accuracy. Look on CoD or BF videos, you can no scope across the map or get a SMG kill from halfway. Its all about the applied accuracy. Honestly, WE dont need a sniper, YOU do.

My problem with a sniper is that it will either be:

A. Inferior to the rifle, meaning it won't get used.
B. Too overpowered, making the current rifle useless.
C. Too similar to the rifle, meaning there's no point to program one into the game

The current rifle and a sniper rifle can't coexist without one becoming useless, so what's the point of Ben putting a sniper rifle in when he could be working on registration or other content?

The only problem I can see with the sniper rifle is that if it can see through the fog, it'd be extremely easy to kill somebody over and over because they can't see you through the fog. Basically, you're invulnerable from enemy fire becaues they won't know where you are. The semi is going to be upgraded, so the sniper would be useless.

not inferieur at all. If the rifle's cone would actually be a cone, and not alwasy just flying to the left and being predictable/only usefull at med range the sniper rifle would be a nice choice.

Anyways, shotgun is next anyways

[Komrade]Nowa90:

It will still not change the fact that the Sniper will be inferior to the Rifle. Do please read the arguments about this in my last post before replying.

The point is that the Sniper is not needed. The Rifle is more practical and more useful.

you guys sure love to bitch about things. Everyone hated autoclimb, now look at it. YOURE USING AND ENJOYING IT

Make the sniper fire rate delay twice as much as the rifle, solution found. Make a reload every 4 shots. Make it do 2 to the body, 1 to the head,SAME fog distance and walking speed. The sights should move a bit slower, and maybe have a sway to even it out a bit.
The issues on camping are all lame. Anyone can camp, and if you are being spawn trapped just find them and kill them from behind, or make a roof for christs sake. There are plenty of solutions.

The point is, sniper with half the fire rate, low ammo clip (3/4 of rifles ammo?), and a bit of aim sway (2 degrees?) and the game will stillwork fine. I can still outgun rifleman at fog distance using the smg. Its the player, not the weapon

We don't NEED a sniper rifle, I think the shotgun (even if I don't quite fancy it) will add more fun to this game, instead of the campfest it currently is. O' course, us campers will still be indispensable to slap your shit from a distance. But I don't understand why wouldn't you settle with the actual rifle, it's harder to use, therefore more exciting. Anyways that's your taste

Well, the thruth is that the sniper rifle and all the other guns that were in the vote list will likely come sooner or later.

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btw i only made the weapon. the rest i found on the web=S

Sorry. But I have to disagree. A Sniper will be a "Power weapon". By that I mean that everyone will want one and if Ben puts a limit on how many there can be, people will start greifing until they get the Sniper. The game will turn into a shooting range of "spot the green/blue head".

Now, let me go through the points, one by one:

1. Camping.
Yes. People will camp. That's it. No more gameplay because everyone will camp. There will be no "Tactical advantage" if everyone do the exact same thing. If someone sits a top a tower shooting at people, everyone else will do the exact same thing. Continue reading the other points before debating here.

2. Ammo.
Even if the Sniper have 1 clip and 10 extras, it will still not change that everyone will pick Sniper. When they are out of ammo, they will run out in the battlefield with grenades in their hands, get killed and spawn 4 seconds later with full ammo and health.

3. Rifle + Sniper.
Why do everyone complain about this? It is clear that as soon Sniper comes, no one wants Rifle. No one will choose Rifle because they think it's "boring, uncool and weak", unlike Sniper who is "Awesome, Cool and Strong".
It's like bulling. Everyone gathers around Sniper because he got all the toys, is good looking and stronger then everyone else even though he shares the same amount of IQ with a rock.
Rifle, on the other hand, is poor, ugly and small but still get all the test right because he is the brain child of Issac Newton and Albert Einstein.
Please continue reading the other points why this is so.

4. Balancing.
Let me go through all of these first.
1. Have you thought about the distance? The farther away the enemies are, the easier the Sniper will have shooting them. Also, almost all of the maps are plains with towers or high hills. The Sniper will have either a blast playing a point-and-click game or get bored to death by all of the other peoples that have the same idea.
2. Clarify a little. You mean that the Sniper can only 1-hit kill on head or you mean that the head is where the Sniper can only hit? This will not change a thing because no one aims at the body in the first place.
3. Will not change a thing. Even on longer distance.
Continue reading because I have more on this subject later.

5. Reloading.
Even if you have super slow reloading, it will not matter if the whole team are Snipers.

6. Range.
Here is where the good things about Snipers stop. Even if you have slow reloading, low ammo, low movement, low everything and stuff, it will not matter if the Sniper can't be better then the Rifle in range. I use the Rifle and I score headshots even on the maximum range. It's harder, yes, but the Sniper will be greatly inferior then the Rifle.

7. Spawn killing.
How do people think that would work? If the Sniper have low ammo, low movement and can't see farther then the Rifle, Spawn killing is no threat at all.

8. Gameplay interference.
The Sniper will not fit in the gameplay. Ace of Spades is a sandbox shooter where you can build and dig to get the best advantage as possible. How do you think Sniper will play in that? It will be highly impracticable because everyone will be on constant move and as I said before, Sniper will be highly inferior compared to the Rifle in these situations.

Now that was my 5 cents of worth. But before I go, I want to give you some tips in debating.

1. Present ALL issues with the subject. Not yours, not someone else, ALL of them no matter if they are good or bad.
After you do this, you can then present you solution to the problems and how to make everything better.

2. Don't be an asshole.
In other words, don't insult and hate on other people no matter what they do, say or what games they play. If you do this, you'll get more support from all kinds of people, even from the creators them self. Be calm and answer everything in logic.

If you got offended or something, I'm sorry. But if you do respond on this with no hating or insulting, you have my respect.

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hahahaha wait....

no, bump rejected.

bump?

While I would use a sniper if it became implemented, I would prefer a shotgun, if only for the sake of gameplay dynamics. A camping-fest where the gameplay is based around "find and kill all the snipers, then rush for intel" is what I believe would emerge next. A shotgun would allow anyone rushing a base to remove any threats easily, pronouncedly on maps like pinpoint or the generated map, in cases where it intel spawns in valley or enemies build fortifications.

No. It's server side hit detection which changes the hit detection for client side(if hes on your crosshairs and you fire he gets hit) to server side(your bullet goes to position X,Y but when enemy is out of posistion X,Y you miss) making you miss more often. This system is applied to ALL weapons old or new.

The semi was nerfed

Here's what I think. The semi wasn't nerfed, server-side hit detection was implemented so technaclly the semi is still 100% acurate since you cant dis-apply server-side hit detection. So all a sniper would give us is a scope(which can already be implemented though modding) and some zoom levels. Also the ability to see though fog with the sniper would be extremley cheap and result in getting killed half-way across the map

Your ideas are great, but i still want a shotgun, so i can storm bases like a bawss.

Bump, so that ben can see it.

And also so that whining deuces can get owned by my OP.

i think the fog line should be the drop off and everything but 2 shot kill is sorta stupid

Sniper Rifle:
Semi-Automatic Rifle, but with better accuracy and increased zoom. Long-Range.

Assault Rifle:
SMG but with less recoil and more accuracy. Mid-Range.

Shotgun:
Takes the SMG's place as the close range weapon. Great for close range combat but suffers less damage for mid to long range as the pellets spread. Close-Range.

Very well put Frosty, im impressed =], you gave a good argument for something which i couldn't see adding much to the game.

^you contributed quite well on the weapons polls responses, but unfortuneatly loads of noobs didn't read your posts.