@Daddy Warbucks

EXACTLY MY POINT!

people have been making even more profanity and mess that blocks peoples doors and bunkers EVEN MORE since team killing, and people STILL HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO VOTEKICK!!!

I think Ben should just make votekicking easier, like have a little button next to peoples names on the tab menu that you can just click to send in your vote, bu then again I doubt many of the players here even know that thay can use the tab button in the first place!

I like it. 'Been abusing it ever since it was implemented. Spot somebody digging tunnels? Bang, cap on his ass. Digging trenches? Pop, pop, pop. Polishing bunkers? I just made some brain slushy out of you.

Great laughs are to be had by shitting on the map with useless structures. My favourites are glossy pink towers (or giant dongs, as we people in the trade call them). They immediately attract my team's attention, and for some weird Freudian reason they always feel the irresistible need to sap them, which they obviously can't without being timekilled dozens of times.

thus works really well when used how its meant to, however, if its abused its horrible

It was run-on because I was ranting.
Also, I edited my post to spell out my intentions more clearly.

Pretty hard to create sarcasm with run-on sentences.

I guess nobody understands sarcasm either.

I can't be the only one pissed off at people STILL not knowing how to votekick, can I?

You said "and now whenever I get bored while playing I can just go around killing whoever is building crap and have everybody whine while not being stopped because they are still too stupid to know how to votekick " - The operator extremely strongly implying he griefs his team

Look who can't read now. I never did like you, now I see why.

I can.

I didn't say I would grief, I NEVER SAID I WOULD GO AROUND DESTROYING MY TEAMATES STRUCTURES, I said I would shoot players who were building crap (which is not griefing, its teamkilling, and I wanna have people start abusing this crappy new ability so it will get tossed out in future patches)

Besides, anybody who has ever played with me knows I am a good teamate who helps the team and doesnt grief or anything, and im not SERIOUSLY going to go around killing my teamates, but I sure as hell wish more people would so EVERYBODY can see how BAD of an idea it was adding team killing in the first place.

PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO VOTEKICK! GEEZUS

Just teamkill griefed again, this time on a fort. It's pretty easy. Fill in all the openings. People shoot. You shoot them. Everyone abandons fort within 10 minutes. SUCCESS.

You read it here first: TheOperator enjoys griefing when he's bored.

Kick on sight.

Hey guess what, theoperator.
I'm "You".
UMAD?

teamkilling is a good idea because deuces are too stupid to learn to read the README file that goes along with the game, or the words written on he server list TELLING THEM EXACTLY HOW TO VOTEKICK

and now whenever I get bored while playing I can just go around killing whoever is building crap and have everybody whine while not being stopped because they are still too stupid to know how to votekick

@Triplefox: What I mean to say in a well thought out paragraph. This fix also works. I was thinking of a /votesomething id, but that works even better.

We had the same problem on a previous map, so I buried the fucker in blocks.

He got confused and logged of the server.

I can block out a bridge (a bridge wars sized bridge) if I just build a wall and shoot anyone who tries to break it to pass. Same for tunnels.

Yeah, I wanted to write that too. Exactly the same happend just two hours ago on that certain map. And since about 90% of the players walk towards the (now blocked) bridge the teamkill-griefing was very successful.
And on another server there was a guy who just went to some players who built up a fort or whatever and he started helping them but also added some blocks randomly acting like he placed them accidently. So when the other players digged those blocks to fix it he headshot them. He did that with every player who was building something anywhere on the green side and was successful in nearly all cases. (I followed him because it was quite an interesting approach to abuse this so called "anti-griefing" feature.)

I'll repeat it again: We should temporarily disable block damage when hit by friendly fire, not kill the player. It's not a perfect solution but it reduces the impact of FF in the favor of peaceful builders.

The majority of TK grief now is based around the situation of "oh you hit one block by accident, headshot."

The majority of building grief now is based around locking people out of areas and then TKing them when they try to pass through.

So as it is right now, we still have a game dynamic that isn't the focus of the game: players vs. griefers, not Green vs. Blue. The dynamic is more balanced than before, but ideally it should be completely tilted in the favor of players.

Keep in mind: this problem will come up again when more destructive abilities are added to the game.

not realy, i hate griefers, but i was on a server an hour ago were i did exactly that, just cause teamkilling is somehow addictive

Well, you'd have to be reeeeeaally committed to griefing to do that^

Also just tested some stuff. I can block out a bridge (a bridge wars sized bridge) if I just build a wall and shoot anyone who tries to break it to pass. Same for tunnels.

"That's why it was made so they could only be killed while using the shovel or pickaxe. People can't just run around shooting whoever they please. It can get annoying sometimes though, but I'm sure it will balance out when a better kicking system is implemented, until then people just have to be more coherent about who to kick and why, etc. etc. "

Also on shooting and nade throwing. Which is why it's not just an anti griefer weapon now, it can also be a pro griefer.

COOL.

Clearly I said it was dependent on future changes to the game.

^i like this guy

If you are going to quit the game then fuck off and stop whining about it

Ya'll need to just deal with it until it gets tuned up. I like killing griefers, and I think it's easy enough to get somebody kicked for unjust team killing. But that's just me.

As long as sombody comes up with a valid way to prevent me from getting team-killed when I'm simply building something I may consider playing again.

I'm a faggot because I didn't give a reason as to why I didn't like this update? I'm fairly sure I gave a good enough explanation as to why I did not like this update.

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^agreed(sorta)
tom is just spouting how much he hates this update without giving good reasons for it being undone

Tom is a faggot

@tom atm, you can team-kill across half the map, if ben lowered the area to spawn-zone, then you would only have a 256X64 area to team kill-in, rather than a 516X256 area to team-kill in, thereby lowering the area you can be killed for tunneling, repairing block spam grief, etc. etc by a lot