Thanks for the tips.

The recoil is perfect. Do you really want people to spray and pray with the SMG? With the recoil so high you have to fire it in bursts, and actually pace yourself when you shoot.

I've actually killed people, including riflemen, all the way out to fog with the SMG.

Those of you who are whining about the recoil and the innacuracy should probably stop. Crouch, sight in, and fire in short bursts (shorter the further away your target is... three shots at a time for fog distance, continious fire for engagements within ten blocks), and you'll do a lot better.

I think the people who can't kill with the SMG are using it at long range. It's great for tighter maps. I've been getting a bunch of kills with it in Bridge Wars (tunnels). The SMG isn't useless at all, you just need to learn how to play with it.

Well its cause you haven't gotten used to it. And i think my B-A-R idea is great!

i tried the smg like what... 2 times? and i got owned by the THE SAME GUY(who had a rifle) two times while i had an smg...i never use it now. ._.

^^^ Thank you Canuck for liking my post and i agree with you 100% about SMG. Its a little over used in spraying enemy bunkers

I like the idea of a bolt-action rifle. The rifle, at its current precision, is not much more then a midrange weapon. The accuracy nerf in this update really tarnished its abilities to snipe; hitting someone who is dissapearing into the fog with your intel becomes much more luck-based, because even if you aim at their head the bullet may not hit them.

Either removing the cone-effect of the bullet pathways or introducing a sniper of sorts would fix this. I personally think there should be a third gun, to round out the short-mid-long range trifecta.

An example could be the map Pinpoint. Smg users rushing the opposing base, riflemen backing them up and BAR users staying behind and defending against the flood of smg'ers would fix the current gameplay on that map.

p.s. I think the smg block damage should be nerfed. Imagine 14 people with smg's firing at your flimsy 2-block thick wall; at 3 shots per block/10 blocks per clip, that's a lot of easy-to-perform destruction. 6 or 5 shots to destroy would be a bit better.

*bump*

Dont you guys understand that its not to break blocks from far away. When have you seen an SMG kill someone from over 50 meters??? Never. Its a CQC weapon. So stop complainging " O this new SMG sucks. I cant hit anything!!!" Ok crouch, shoot in bursts and your good! What this game could use is a Bolt action rifle. It does 75 damage to chest. 50 to limbs and 100 to head. Also for self defense and pistol (which takes away the grenade). This pistol does. 25 damage to chest, 45 to head, and 13 to limbs. Also it can shoot like at half the speed of the SMG, or as fast as you can tap your mouse button. Which ever Ben likes more. Now the B-A-R (Bolt action Rifle) has 10 shots. 20 reload shots. Is pinpoint accurate, but takes 4 seconds to shoot in between shots. To cock back the bolt and re-aim your weapon. It should have the recoil of a barret 50 cal. And should like This. +1000 anyone???

One way or another, the rifles aren't as good as they used to be. The changelog doesn't say anything on the matter, so it may be a result of the sights glitch.

He probably didn't change rifle, but server-side hit detection isn't perfect and irosights are zoomed out, not so accurate.

He changed the rifle? I haven't noticed i'm still popping deuce from the mist.

SMG makes a perfect close-in defense weapon and a sneaky ambushers delight.

I have been in situations where both are good and bad. The addition to my family is welcome and i am glad to reskin it to match my rifle.

I use a custom sight and I've been able to get multiple kills with the SMG at fog distance. It also works wonders against enemy bunkers/fortifications.

The only thing I really dislike about the SMG is its destructive capabilities. Everything else is fine. It doesn't need more accuracy or less recoil... in fact, even the less-accurate 0.53 implementation was good.

I want the rifle's old accuracy back, though. As it is now, you might as well be firing a musket... a fully automatic musket, admittedly, but a musket all the same. Even an AK-47 would be more accurate. The render distance is less than a hundred yards, and an infantry rifle really should be accurate to that distance.

For long range maps, I would use the rifle, like bridgewars, generated map, etc. But for maps with alot of buildings/cover I use the smg.

It's meh. You just gotta know how to use it in close quarters. I honestly prefer it more than the rifle. I get more kills with it.

Edit: Hopefully no one uses it like a moron, holding down left mouse and running around shitting themselves. Take crouches and pop shots.

Suddenly, realism.

i'd bet any amount of money ive SMG-sniped at least one person that thought the gun was useless.

@Drury:
It is good from < 5 blocks away. No matter how bad the recoil, you can just about keep it on target and get a fairly swift kill.
Asides from that, it's real hard to use.
I'd suggest making the recoil's "extremes" less - as in, it wouldn't stray your aim as far. More recoil (frequency), but significantly smaller radius. You should be able to hold it for one second and still be around the right target..

I laugh when people say the smg is useless. I'm getting kills with it all of the time.

Agreed Drury. The SMG is garbage.

I'm the third kind: Facepalmer. SMG is 100% retarded and useless. You can't destroy crap from distance with it effectively, and you can't kill people (at least most people are like that, some exceptions crouch and balance recoil with mouse, though that's not nearly as effective as rifle). There is nothing SMG is good for.

You should see the crybabies on the Facepunch forums.

*facepalm*

Although there are only like one or two of them, and they've been crying since the game first came out lol.

I can make the SMG people look like 12 year olds too.

OMG LULZ NOW I DON'T HAZ TO AIM NO MOAR I JUST SHOOTZ TEH PEOPLE WHEREVERS.

Some people:
OMFG, the gun is not a sniper! I can't change my game play tactics and now everyone is spraying lead at me. I hate everything that is new. *Insert temper tantrum here.*

Me and some other people:
Well the ironsights aren't that reliable but this is awesome. Intel hanging above me on and unfinished bridge? No problem cut the bridge in half with lead. This is so freaking awesome. *Leaves to go have a kickass time playing AoS.*

As you can see, in my opinion the smg is so awesome and adds depth to game play. But you are free to have your own opinions. Post what you think below.