^ In short: GIVE US BACK PERFECT RIFLE ACCURACY!!!!!!111111oneoneone

We 'bitch', Illimvra, because we've tried it one way, and tried it the other, and have found the old way was much, much, much better, for reasons that have already been pointed out.

The current rifle accuracy might actually work quite well for the SMG if the rifles go back to being pin-point accurate.

This is what I've been saying all along! In a game like this where so much of the combat is long to extremely long range, accuracy should be key. If the rifle has a cone it's a broken weapon- not because of realism or anything like that, but because of simple game mechanics 101.

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Well, it's still way too much. Even these oldies guns wouldn't go up that much after a burst while walking.

i see your point. i actually like the smg atm because when i play bridge wars i go on the enemy side and kill everyone close up so they dont even see me

@jjthejetplane27: The SMG could snipe a bit, yes, but it would be at a big disadvantage. Even if you do manage to hit someone's head (never a certainty, with the current rifle cone), it won't kill them unless they've already been injured. Pitted against a pin-point rifle that can kill instantly with headshots, it wouldn't have much of a chance. The rifle would maintain its long-range superiority, as it should.

The SMG recoil... it's only to be expected, really. It's an automatic weapon... I've fired such firearms before, and they have quite a bit of kick. I don't think it's unreasonable for them to have the amount of recoil they have now.

smg could be used for sniping if we give it the current rifle cone but it would make it a more usable weapon. i think recoil should be the only thing throwing off the bullets though. ive controlled the smg when it was firing a decent amount and it still sprayed all over the place.

@Galaxy: Thanks. We can hope, anyways. Not really sure what the shotgun will be like (Ben knows the polls were rigged, so chances are the shotgun, being honest leader, is what we're getting), but it sounds like it will overpower everything at close ranges, so giving the SMG a little more mid-range power might be for the best.

I'm fairly certain that at some point in the past Ben said he planned to at least tighten down the cones on the current weapons. That's something to look forward to.

The current rifle accuracy might actually work quite well for the SMG if the rifles go back to being pin-point accurate.

This.

That is actually a damn good idea, I doubt it's going to be implemented though -.-

Megadeuce's idea of the cone getting smaller seems slightly redundant since you should take a small amount of time to aim anyways. I'm worried that it will make for a few aggravating situations that will screw up the gameplay.

Luck really shouldn't come into play on any rifled weapon using full-size rifle cartridges within 100 yards. In fact, a WWI-WII infantry rifle was generally unaffected by luck at 500 yards; the rifle cartridges of that time were overpowered for what they usually had to do. This lead to the invention of the StG-44, which used lower-power cartridges at a higher rate of fire for better firepower at the average engagement range for infantry at the time.

I will admit that if and when the rifle goes back to being accurate (and if it's an if and not a when, I'll probably go back to Minecraft), the people who want a more accurate SMG should probably get their way as well. After all, while leaving the SMG a little underpowered for anti-personnel use is all fine and good considering its power against fortifications, SMG users should get at least half a chance. The current rifle accuracy might actually work quite well for the SMG if the rifles go back to being pin-point accurate.

Well, I'm hungry.

He said it wasn't luck based. Anything random is luck based. No grenades, pre-nerf semi only, FINAL DESTINATION.

I could go for some scones.

Cones. Cones, cones, cones.

it curves more than the bullets from wanted i swear

No, it is not a 100% chance to hit someone from the fog distance if you aim below the head. The will bullet curve, so the gun is luck based.

Why don't you read the other 50 threads that whine on this topic?

There's your answer.

Reverand, it would really help if you... joined us, and remembered your people!

How the hell is it luck based? I aim below their head, it's a sure headshot every time.

I know this is somewhat off-topic, Illimvra, but are you starting some sort of "Duece clan"? I you are, here's a little something to help with brainwa- er, I mean, recruitment.

WHAT

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You're thinking of autoaim.

yah bullets look fake and obvious

People are used to CoD where the bullets always go where you want them to.

I admit that the Semi is still a good sniping weapon. The problem is that the Rifle is more likely based on a WWI/WWII era battle rifle which has an effective range of beyond 100 yards (which is the max render distance according to some people here) so it shouldn't deviate as much as it does in AoS. (unless the rifle isn't zeroed in)

That, and we got so used to aiming for the head that aiming slightly below it is somewhat new.

Also, thanks for the advice Illimvra, I'll try aiming slightly below the head sometime.

P.S. I like this idea from Drewgon13: "Maybe the cone of fire could get smaller and smaller until it is pinpoint over like a 2 or 3 second period of standing still. That way it will be more realistic and the realism people with be happy."

It's a luck based weapon now. Luck based weapons are always bullshit.

Whos ready for some Russian roulette? anyone? looser dies, winner survives!

Because its too inaccurate to be considered a rifle. Sniper battles go from skill to get a head shot to whoever gets more shots off and gets a kill first.

People whine because the rifle is totally based on luck now.

You could miss half your clip, and someone from the water unloads just one into your head.

A lot of people don't like how the rifle relies on luck over skill to be accurate. I mean, it's a rifle. It should have some range on it.

Though, the cone has saved my skin more than once on reniassance town with blue snipers on the church killing us in our spawn.

Why are people bitching so much about Semi-rifles? Who gives a fuck if accuracy fades at a distance? IS that not the point? I'm able to pull off headshots at like teh very brink (like, one more step away) of sight, I just took someone's advice and aimed slightly below the head. Not that big of a deal, at all... so why's everyone bitching about it? IT's still a good sniping device. Hell, I'm able to snipe people with an SMG (unless they're in groups; then if I miss someone will see the bullet).

QQ less.

Also, Deuce before, Deuce after, Deuce then, Deuce now, Deuce in the past, Deuce in the future, DEUCE FOREVER!!