I tried using the SMG again tonight.

It is actually a great shotty counter. You can hit three guys in the head before the shotgun reloads. It also works better than the rifle for those "aiming from underneath and can't make the headshot" type of situations.

The only downside is that you must crouch and sit still behind cover and wait for your chance. It is still not a run-and-gun weapon.

yea so? I did that many times. The fact now you are either being sniped while in the open by a semi, or getting face blasted. No one in suppressing fire, or even using the SMG, I seem to be the only on on all the servers.

i have a vid on my youtube where i raped guys at long rang with the smg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvT_XkFiOLE&feature=channel_video_title there that is proof smg rapes (and that was in update 54.) EDIT the smg rape is near the end

SMG is too weak. Sure its more accurate now, but its still limited to destroying structures now that the rifle can snipe again and that the shotgun can pwn anything within a 20 block radius.

Needs a recoil nerf or a damage buff to make it attractive again.

@Muncher
My inability to control accuracy was when crouching and aiming.

My interpretation of the SMG: Shotgun Tactics.

30 yards...er 30 blocks?

The SMG is great for mid-range combat now. I've made lots of kills with it at around 50 yards, and it's still a decent weapon at point-blank range.

I'm actually pretty satisfied with the current balance. To me, all three of the weapons have a well-defined purpose.

I agree. The smg needs to find it place because it dosen't have a practical use in most situations.

Just, crouch and shoot.

It's easy.
I'm killed tons of shotgun users with the SMG.

I wish my computer was good enough to record while playing, so I could show everybody that dislikes the SMG how good it can actually be...

I almost certainly agree but I think it would be wise to wait atleast a week before coming to any conclusions after a big update.

I still can't control the recoil -_-

For me,SMG>Shotty
Sorry,but I prefer the SMG.

From my experiences with the new weaponry selection, the rifle is best for long ranges (although still good at shorter ranges as well), the SMG is best for mid-range combat as well as against fortifications, and the shotgun is best at close range. Everything seems pretty well-balanced to me. All of the guns have their merits.

Lies!

-5% recoil
and your damage stats
life wins.

I mainly use Rifle, it's better for bigger range shots, Shotgun is better for close range. And SMG is too weak for me.

nope :T no need for a damage tweak

I do not think the shotgun is OP, because in groups you can fire quicky, and at long range you are pwned by the rifle, but in mid range or close 1vs1 it beats out the SMG in every single way. if the SMG gets a little buff then it will all be perfectly balanced.

Whatever you say, Mike McLarin.

Mike what are you talking about?

i see what you mean but just because one gun is op doesnt mean the rest should get an upgrade. ok im going to use cod as an example. on black ops, the famas is overpowered. but instead of making the rest of the guns op they tweaked the famas

My big bro Percy told me he is gonna use the smg but I'm gonna stick with the Shotgun cause it is OP, he did say that the smg need a buff

I cant be the only person with this opinion

The shotgun is devastating at medium/close range, so the SMG has basically no pratical uses aside from destroying structures.

It either needs a serious damage buff or serious recoil reduction, because I see no reason why anybody should use it over the shotgun.

Also, rifle damage to the body should be buffed to 50 instead of 40, and the arms should be 35 instead of 25

If the SMG gets 50 head shot damage, 30 body shot, and 20 arm shot damage, it would be much MUCH better. It could keep its current recoil, but it NEEDS damage buff to compete with shotgun