Though this thread had shotgun suggested before, I don't think that it was as balanced as it could be, and therefore wouldn't be as good as the current smg or rifle. I think the specs should look more like this:

ammo/reload: 8 in the gun with 24 extra. the gun should be pump action with a delay between each shot of around .20 of a second. The reload of the entire gun should be slower than 1 round per quarter second, so that the player has to "top off" the ammo in his gun while he is moving around, so that he doesnt get stuck spending a few seconds reloading his gun.

range/spread: I think that it should spread out to 3blocks X 3blocks at 35 blocks range. this way you can use it for CQB with relative success but you wont be very effective at range.

damage: around 8-10 damage per pellet X 9 pellets. headshots with pellets should deal 15+ damage. The damages should make it kill in one shot (aimed at neck/upper torso) within 10-15 blocks.

Use: should be for a player who could put down a spread of bullets if he is used at range, or quickly clear out a trench system at close range. The shotgun should also break blocks faster than the rifle or smg, making firing at long range not very lethal, but destructive towards enemy positions and buildings. (this is just the idea that I have, please give some constructive criticism)

@Chipou, log onto a random server and try get two other people to stick around with you for like 2 minutes, without being killed or team killed.

The theory is sound but the actual practice never happens. Artillery although logicially doesn't make sense needs to be one man else it will never be fired.

sorry but alot of people suggest 2 man/ 3 man artillery and I think Beret gave an example of a game that tried a really simple version that failed miserably.

/rant

I think there should be some form of melee attack, maybe not with a new weapon, just like rifle butting or a kick (wouldn't be too hard to animate) the melee could also have "knock-back" so you could melee someone off a cliff or something or knocking them back into a wall disorients their view (makes it all fuzzy). Deals About 20 damage for a melee, so not much, its quiet, disorients the enemy and puts them about 3 blocks distance from you (making for an easy target).

Optimal use of melee would be pushing an enemy off a cliff (silent kill) a sure-to-hit attack in a close quarters fight (smack them into the bunker wall, their view goes fuzzy, so you can finish them without accurate retaliation.) You could use it no matter what you were holding, so if you fuck up and get caught without a rifle you can still fight. (would just be a button, like q (I dunno if that's used or not)) The attack rate would be fairly slow, after a melee you can't fire or anything for like 0.5s

Just a suggestion, I would like some constructive criticism. I tried to make it extremely useful if used right, but not ridiculously over powered. It is possible to mash your melee, but even if their view is fuzzy they still might melee you back, they still retain all their functions so it is better to melee into a wall then pop one in the head.

Constructive criticism welcomed.

NAME: Penis
MAGAZINE: One shot, and it recharges after an hour
DAMAGE: None unless you are also infected with HIV
BEST USE: Giving unsuspecting players emotional scars they will carry for life

Artillery

100 damage for a 3x3 space that drops by 15 for each block outside of it

it needs three people, but first you have to get the kit from the tent and set it up (simply like building it)

one guy mounts it becoming unmovable, it locks him into the grid map untill he presses ESC, which exits him out of the map and unmounts him

second guy is marker, he shoots off a flare and it marks it on the map

third guy reloads the gun, alternitivly the first guy can unmount and do it himself, but itll be slower. you get ammo from the tent

once you fire into the grid, itll hit randomly in the grid space (ie, if the guy fires it from c 7, itll randomly hit a spot in c7) firing is as simple as pressing a marked square (you need a marker)

Name: Flare gun
Magazine: 25
Damage: sets people on fire and deals 20 damage when hits player and 5 damage per second from fire

NAME: Nuke
Magazine: size of charlie sheens cocaine shack
Damage: Chuck Norris
Best use: ending servers
notes: (notes removed by denzel washington)
any questions?

What about this?

NAME: TNT
MAGAZINE: 1;0
DAMAGE: 100 Damage for the blast zone, 20hp less for every block outside the zone
BEST USE: Building destroying, terrain levelling.
NOTES: Must be placed like a block, and has a 10 second fuse before it explodes. Can be mined/dug out by opposing team to be disarmed. Has a blast zone of 9 x 9 x 9 (4 blocks each side of TNT, plus TNT square), destroys blocks in a 11 x 11 x 6 square (5 blocks each side of TNT, plus TNT square, 5 blocks above)

"The Silenced and Tracerless.

5 Round magazine w/ 25 spare.
Each shot does 20 damage body, 40 head, and 15 limb.
Basically it can be iron sighted, but either way, it's not the most accurate thing. It starts to spread after about 15 blocks.
Obviously it is silenced and has no Tracer "

I know I was nuts for suggesting an SMG, but holy shit, dude, you've topped me. Bravo. xD

@cabbage that or a gattling gun, either way I really want a weapon like that

Boom
Bump to keep out clutter
And also
The Silenced and Tracerless.

5 Round magazine w/ 25 spare.
Each shot does 20 damage body, 40 head, and 15 limb.
Basically it can be iron sighted, but either way, it's not the most accurate thing. It starts to spread after about 15 blocks.
Obviously it is silenced and has no Tracer

Name: Pickaxe
Damage: 40 per hit (3 hits to kill, same as with blocks), headstab=instakill

"4. If half the required vote kicks to kick someone off a server are cast on someone they are forced to switch teams. (maybe 3/4)"

what if people wanna kick them cause they keep switching teams and destroying stuff or they just switch back

Name: Solid State Laser
Clip 100, charges by standing in sunlight
Damage 30 per second you keep cursor on person
range infinite
carves through blocks in 2 seconds
makes a really cool LAZER noise!
oh, and it makes you INVINCIELBEL when you shoot it!

Joke? Hehe funny.

did no one think to add the famous Maxim? at all? Y'know, make it a stationary weapon with a certain range and ammo capacity to be used for supporting fire.

And please no unlockable/earnable weaponry. I like the idea of choosing your guns n' stuff before you spawn.

I like the idea of a weight limit as opposed to a slot limit, and yes there will be more weapons/tools, unsure about unlockables, could you elaborate the sort of things you would unlock?

IMHO this game would not suffer from:

1. More weapons and tools, including unlockables

2. Custom loadouts (with weight limit)

3. Stronger blocks (available in load out but weigh more) which take twice the
damage and get brighter as you break them to indicate that they are strong blocks

4. If half the required vote kicks to kick someone off a server are cast on someone they are forced to switch teams. (maybe 3/4)

It's bump or possible weapon clutter. Recently though the clutter has been down though.

Or preferably never

Please only BUMP when a topic is over 24 hours old :)

Bump to keep clutter out

get out of here NORTHROP GRUMMAN

Name: Solid State Laser
Clip 100, charges by standing in sunlight
Damage 30 per second you keep cursor on person
range infinite
carves through blocks in 2 seconds
makes a really cool LAZER noise!
oh, and it makes you INVINCIELBEL when you shoot it!

its win yo

Lol

/quote
IM NOT AFRAID, IM NOT AFRAID, TO TAKE A STAND, TO TAKE A STAND, HOLY SHIT, HOLY SHIT, I JUST GOT KILLED, I JUST GOT KILLED
/quote end.

To show you're not afraid to be instantly headshotted by those noobs wielding the sniper rifle!

^^^
To show that you are a man! To use the rifle!

Lack of cowardice

more rounds
faster fire
better hip shooting
better closer aiming.

Perhaps the Sniper could be treated like the MG, to be used, it needs to be mounted (else 70 damage seems a tonne of damage to use on the go) also most snipers have bipods anyway. If you could use that sniper on the go, why would anyone use the standard rifle anymore?