FTFY "will eventually be griefed by swappers. "

AoS rule no1: the tower you build to save/fortify your intel, and the enemy team hasn't taken your intel for an hour or more because of it, will eventually be griefed by your own team.

@angrygrenades dont be so hostile in the application of your opinion, if you swear at him he's not going to listen to you, the moment you get angry is the moment he stops listening, yelling at him wont fix the problem, nor does it achieve anything it just makes one person frustrated.

@player2k thats exactly the sort of griefers that need to be dealt with, I destroy the back walls on friendly bunkers incase the enemy captures them and I have to attack the bunker.

@jesseQ you essentially repeated what everyone else has already said :\

@pyro, I don't know if your still reading this, but don't quit the game because of these guys.

Em, you are actually complaining about ENEMY destroying your building? Well of course they destroy it, you made it, they want it down. Don't want it destroyed? Defend it. Nuff said.

thise teamgrief debate isnt about a "hole" in "my castle" its about teammates mowing down all structures in your former "base" which now is flatlands =O

@Noire
Never said anything about realism. just what in my opinion was "Griefing". This game i no were close to realism and secondly it probably would ruin it (The game that is) if it was. Just don't grief over stupid thing like.. oh that bad man blew a hole in my castle i spent an hour on. It's a war game things go BOOM! simple as that.

@Seedragon
That statement is posted way too often in these kinds of arguements, and it has a simple counter arguement. If i wanted realism, i'd play arma II.

so all of you guys like fighting on hills?
wouldnt it be cool to have a base on your side?

idk im getting a little bored of fighting from the inside of hills.
cant wait for preset maps. be nice to fight out of some buildings once in a while.

enemies destroying your buildings is normal, but teamswitch greifing is BS.
@iyashii i like the useless minecrafters, because its much more fun to fight and blow up their castles than it is to just have gunfights on generic hills or in neon ruins. but i guess the mapping update in .37 will change that.

@Abominable Toast, we are entitled to our opinions too.

@ Iyashii no it isn't

Greifing the other team isn't greifing

Want griefing protection?
Go play Minecraft.

I would only suggest some type of protection from enemy players switching sides JUST TO GRIEF.

After they're done they switch back.
That is the only problem I see.

Normal teammates destroying your bridge/tower/castle that you spent 20 minutes building instead of helping your team win the game is just fine.

destroying the enemy's structures is fine, it is a great way of lowering their defenses. if you don't want people to destroy your buildings, play another game.

I think the only real way is to just have better administrating, which is most likely coming soon, so just wait for a little while.

@Crack: its called not allowing team switching, kicking, banning(when its possible)

I see no problem when the team cant agree on a building and they aruge+grief. They are only wasting their own time.

But i see a big problem with teamswitching and griefing, because by that, you can get to buildings you normally couldn't (if the other team is defending it ofc), and destroy them, which kills the whole purpose of this game.
However, i have no idea how can this issue be solved, because any kind of restriction would be stupid and evadable.

Do you have any idea what you are requesting? How is a player or team supposed to 'own' a building? Is the game going to keep track of who laid every block? What if you laid a block by mistake in a building you created, are you then stuck there for life? What if a player switches teams an then boxes you into your own building?

You need to think these things through.

I got to agree, the people who just autism out and just build useless/annoying structures are hurting the game...

People should build stuff that facilitates their killing enemies/winning better.

Hey guys, don't be too harsh on him, he's entitled to an opinion, if its one you don't agree with be civil about it.

Pyro, the thing is that guy who you thought was griefing, could of been in his eyes doing something valuable for his team, destroying defences so his team can get through, if he doesn't have to use it himself, I rarely use a bunker my enemies use, as they know it better than I do

@Pyro: seriously if all you want to do is build leave this game and go to minecraft

Well if you don't want your castle destroyed or what not... go play minecraft. This is a war game and bunkers and what not will be blown up.. Other than that griefing consist of

1. purposely destroying your own team work
or
2. jumping teams destroying the other teams crap and jumping back to the other side.

If we weren't able to destroy our team's blocks then griefers could still mess with us by blocking the way to the medic tent or intell, or messing up the windows of bunkers, blocking our trenches, etc etc. I saw a situation similar to this yesterday, there was a guy who blocked the entrance to the medic tent space with several layers of blocks.

It'd make the game 900% worse.

Atomik use "quotes" next time....

What the?!
Example of griefing: green player purposely destroying a green castle.

An enemy coming along and destroying it is demonstration of tactics and skill to pull it off, and is an integral part of the game! (one which I enjoy alot).

The idea of only letting your own team destroy your own blocks would only increase the griefing, as more people would want to switch teams to destroy defensive positions.

Jackster, that's what OP said, not me.

even if that is a pretty old debate...

this is what most ppl agree with:

-teamgreifers are lame
-enemies destryoing your buildings are ok (its war)
-any "only you can destroy your blocks" or any "confirm to allow xy to destroy your blocks" methode would enable even more griefing

and still the best solution has been mentioned by jackser ... moderated servers where griefers get kicked/banned

or whitelist servers

Atomik use "quotes" next time....

>what about an anti-griefing protection? where teams can only destroy they're own buildings but enemies cant.

This isn't Lego, it's war. If you can't handle it search for another game.

Only way is server administration.

Soon there will be more options for administrating the game.

Not all of us want our buildings destroyed.

what about an anti-griefing protection? where teams can only destroy they're own buildings but enemies cant.

This way people wont get butthurt ( too much ) and the real griefers ( people who destroy they're own teams buildings ) can be banned.

For one, when I spend time on an awesome defensive building and it gets destroyed by some fucker who could easily use it himself but only destroys it for his own amusement, fucking annoying I say.