Yay, having a variety of viable weapons!

I'm still a semi user, but that's just because I'd rather hide and take the occasional headshot than charge bravely into battle.

It'll be interesting to see how the SMG plays out in more organized games.

SMG users are now able to kill rifle users, rather than have very little chance from any range.
It means that to use the rifle, you actually need to be able to aim a bit now!

SMG ownz now , and the recoil is soft , anyway maybe with the old settings and this recoil it would be nice . :)

^that was very conceited

Those stats for the SMG seem a little overpowered to me... the 0.58 setup seemed almost perfectly balanced to me, with each weapon being distinctly superior within a given engagement range. If anything, I would've liked the shotgun made a little more damaging, so that any shot with the reticle on the target at 5 blocks or less would be a definite kill (it's failed me in those situations before, maddeningly).

I'll go play the update, though, and get back here with my opinion. I'll probably conclude it's overpowered, but we'll see.

... Then you have skill Pineapple. :) But still- you've gotta hate on the people that just spammed the Rifle because it was better. -.-' You have ann actual love and respect for it, so that's okay. But the people who used Rifles to basically ruin the game for everybody else???

No.

Just...

NO.

respect the rifle:

This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.

My rifle, without me, is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle
true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will... etc.

:D

^THAT -___________-' Grow up riflemen... (not you Rifleman, you're cool. ;) )

Jesus Christ...it never ends. If you are a rifleman and you are constantly getting killed (or killed to the point where you must come on the forums and complain about it) by SMG users, then something is wrong with you, not the SMG.

It needs less sine wave and more random kick.

@Sample please go away with your "k/d ratio"... I hate such cod shit =P

To topic:
it's pretty annoying... the smg is far too op now >.< the dmg is too big... and too little spreading when firing... you can kill a rifle guy far too easily even at long range =P

And don't forget that hiding behind 1 block walls is useless... ;D

rifle can 1-hit kill, so can SMG (2-hit)
next:shotgun buff

FYI: the old SMG stats in pyspade have always been underpowered,
they were stronger in vanilla.

SMG is perfect the way it is. It just takes a little skill. My weapon of choice in the last update was the SMG, and I got pretty damn good at it usually finishing with a high k/d ratio. Now with this buff, I'm unstoppable.

The new problem with this update, though, is that the shotgun is pretty much 100% useless. The SMG dominates at close range, and the shotgun can be unreliable sometimes.

My personal opinion of the shotgun is that it should take on a new role than it does in other games. Seeing as this game is so heavily based around destructible environments, I think it should have more breaching capability. Perhaps right clicking will expend extra ammo but it will automatically blast a big enough hole in any wall for a dynamic entry. In addition, I believe it should, in the future, be incorporated as a side weapon in addition to your main weapon (like, picking the shotgun instead of a pistol, or extra grenades, etc).

@Viper VIIIIIIIIIIPEEEEEEEEEEEER!!! :D

...

Wait, what's the IRC? .____.' Linky, linky, LINKY!!! (>O________O')>

@Booboorocks ^W^

I agree 100% with soap :3

Soap you should really join the IRC

Guys, you're basically saying "keep the Semi in power" by not wanting the SMG to have SOME advantage or way to compare to it... :,(

OMG YE3SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS if this is legit screw the rifle

^Totally agree bro.

The smg needs way more recoil.
Like seriously, it was a rapid fire semi before, as long as you can move your mouse down.
Needs more left and right recoil too.

@TB Well it's underpowered compared to the Semi, but it's just 1337 because of how good it SHOULD be when it doesn't stand against the Semi. :? Same for the Shotgun. Basically, the Semi is like the big bully of a big brother to the SMG and the Shotgun, so the SMG's finally gonna have the requirements to fight back and establish its place. :) Now just to fix up that Shotgun...

@Mr. T That NEVER happens to me, I just always get my butt kicked by Semi jerks and nobody else... XP

seems good i can't get a kill with the smg if its a fair fight (we both see echoter at the same time and shoot) 9 times out of ten you'll die if v.sing rifle or shotgun

Well I mean that just means you have skill if you can get headshots with an automatic weapon, because Semi's are still more accurate either way. :-\ The ammo capacity seems fine to me, and honestly, I think that by this update, the SMG will truly be balanced for everyone. :D I can't say the same for the Semi though, BUT if it was slower, THEN it would seem pretty balanced to me. :)

@soap Is it possible that something can be both underpowered AND underrated? :s

I don't think it will be so bad, I mean, the semi is pretty much a one hit kill, and everybody uses it, but that might change with these upgrades. I think 75 is a little bit too high, though, it could have just been 50, or 51 or something, maybe it could have only 20 bullets, to balance it out a little bit more, so it's less kills per clip

I think that the SMG is too misunderstood... :( Giving it this boost that it needs to make its mark on AoS will REALLY show people how it's really a good gun looking to get some attention from the less-deserving, usually-a-one-hit-kill-due-to-stupid-headshots Semi. The SMG to me is the only honest weapon in the game that can be balanced in a way, as it's the medium ranged power house. The Shotgun is the powerhouse of up-close combat, and the Semi is just overpowered EVERYWHERE, and that's why I don't realy like it. :( But with the SMG's improvement, there will FINALLY be something that can compete against Semis! (b^^)b

Im scared too man. This basically means 2 head shots and their out. Ben did a pretty bad job on the smg to me...

Dude just face it- the SMG has been WAY underpowered and underrated. :( Giving it these stats will make the firefights even better, and A LOT cooler to experience! :D Plus, more people will use them, making it more like a realistic FPS game w/ automatic weapons instead of everybody using sniper-like weapons. :P

not sure what to think of this.