Think about it. Builders can be just as bad, if not worse.

No.

What your saying is that intelligent architects are the same as some high school drop outs that vandalize property.

Griefing hurts the team and pisses people off.
Building useless shit does nothing to the team at all, nobody should care.

Well, having 8 members of your team that do nothing but build hurts your team. We should start kicking people like this. You know, the ones who've been on the server for hours with like <5 score.

There could be an auto kick after 10 mins if you have less than 5kills or sommat?

Eh, some people are just plain bad at the game though. Sometimes I have my moments where I'm just getting killed left and right before I can get any kills in.

I'd support something like you need at least 10 kills per hour to stay on the server or you get booted. That way, the autists can't just get their 5 kills the first 10 minutes and go "welp, I'm done contributing, just gonna build now"

Why the heck would you want to force people to play the way you want? Are you guys really that selfish/stubborn/narrow-minded/retarded?
Let people have fun the way they want, this is a game. I am glad that this is never going to be added to the game.

True Devas, but you need to remember, and I know that you know, that this game isn't minecraft, and the people that spend the entire time on the server building are most likely not even helping their team with the unnecessary structures.

Think of it like this, the server is completely full. 32/32 players. Green has 8 people not contributing anything whatsoever to gameplay. Blue also has a few, say 3 or 4. That right there causes an imbalance in the gameplay. So indirectly, these people that "aren't hurting anybody" actually are affecting the gameplay for everybody in a negative way. They're also preventing legit players that actually want to play the game from joining the server.

while it is true they could be the ones building important forts/repairing the spider structer under the intel/etc etc, the odds of that are incredibly slim and theyre probably just sitting back making penis statues or statues of one color taking it from the other.

once again, building is important and is a key to the gameplay, likewise unnecessary building hurts everyone elses game play though unless EVERYONE is building. meaning go to a build server or set one up yourself.

Exactly why I grief everything.

Well, for my team balancer I'm working on for ServerBot, it's going to calculate how long a player has played for, kills, and deaths. So I could use all of that, and kick someone after awhile. Toggleable of course.

Does it really matter if the game is "imbalanced", or that people are not "legit players"? The words you use show that you're being very subjective, and have a set idea about how the game should be.
Keep in mind that there is no goal.

I think that people who kill others on the "enemy" team are griefers too, not because they break buildings, but because they prevent their construction. Is it really necessary to kill the enemies?

Something that really bugs me is whenever builders build big castles around the capture point. It's like, hey, cool castle and all, but could you build it at the flag? Then, when you get the intel, their stupid castle is blocking the tent. When you break down a wall to get in because some goons from the other team are chasing you, your team teamkills you for "griefing".

I hate it more when they're building by the intel and just ignore it when other people grab it. I wish that the game were how it was when it first came out...

GREEN build
BLUE shoot

the goal of the game is to capture intel and reach the goal limit. killing the opponents means one less person for a few seconds thus making the goal easier to achieve. the games CtF, not create the prettiest statue of a green sucking a big one.

"the goal of the game is to capture intel"
That's your own personal opinion. People whose goal is to make the prettiest statue of a green sucking a big one think that YOU are the bad player. There is no real goal to this game so far.

I don't mind "random junk" builders, provided they don't mind when I have to remove their stuff to make useful stuff (or remove their stuff because it's downright offensive). If your big creeper face is right where I need a fort, I'll build a fort right on top of your big creeper face. If you're lucky I'll let you build a creeper face on top of the fort, but only if you don't screw up the crenelations.

Yeah, the builders can create a team imbalance (Like when players join the "outnumbered" team only to find that they really have the majority of fighting players. Usually green's the team with the biggest amount of useless builders), but for me, being outnumbered usually just means I get to shoot people more often.

"That's your own personal opinion. People whose goal is to make the prettiest statue of a green sucking a big one think that YOU are the bad player. There is no real goal to this game so far."

"Ace of Spades is a free multiplayer game with voxel graphics and destructable terrain. The gameplay is capture-the-flag style."-ben

so its clear the main focus is CtF, because he didnt say minecraft style gameplay. i mean, unless bens a lier, which is just blasphemy

Quit trolling, Devas. You're just disagreeing to start pointless arguments, it's clear the goal of the game is to win. You wanna build, play minecraft. Simple as that. You can even pirate the fucking thing.

You're the one who is about to start a pointless argument right now about wether I am a troll or not, and wether this debate is pointless or not. I'll be the better person and not respond to this blatant attempt at provocation.

This game is objective, and the clear goal of the game is to win. If you're going to build, build an intel tower, or build a simple fort. Bridges will just get destroyed unless they're small and convenient. Digging can be helpful... what I think is an important thing to think about while digging is "how could the other team use this?" If it could help them a lot, you shouldn't do it in the first place. This is why I have, in the past, destroyed bridges going straight to the intel. Does this make me a griefer? If the goal of the game is to not get our intel captured, than no. If the goal is to make cool structures, than yes. In practice, would someone consider it to be griefing? That should give you a good idea of the community's mindset, and the community controls the game

This is what it takes to kick a griefer off a server.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLXb1LMdxo

(Takes forever, a whole bunch of shit happens, and in the end, they all just come back)

Just think of the video as a reenactment of the normal votekick process and the end result of it.

I think its good to build some walls and mabye a watch tower but this game is about getting kills having fun and capturing intel if people just want to build for hours mabye they should get minecraft thats what I do when I wanna build structures

Plus, minecraft has better mechanics for creativity, what with floating blocks and everything.

If you want to build stuff, play minecraft.
If you want to get kills and cap intel, play Battlefield or CoD or Halo or some other FPS

Let everyone else play the game the way it is meant to be played: endless teamkilling and encasing people in blocks.

@danke

-.- and what if none of those games work on ya pc? And aos does?
Exactly.. + Everyone should do whatever they want! And if people don't like what he is doing then kick him! Only griefing is bad.

Just play the game to have fun and if you lose, it shouldn't upset you at all. In BF2, there were people who loved jets so they constantly stayed back on the carrier or hanger never contributing to the game and only getting a jet once in a while. There were other types of players that never contributed to the team and caused them to lose, but in the end, everyone had fun and if you won, it was just the icing on the cake. Who the fuck DIDN'T enjoy BF2?

Whenever I see that the opposing team wins in AoS, I don't care at all. All I'm concerned about is getting back to the front lines to build small forts. Gonna kick me too?

If I was the server owner, you bet. Take your autism somewhere else.

So who do you think you are? Everyone has to play the way you do? Glad you aren't in any position of power.

Sometimes, if it's really bad, I'll trap builders in blocks and then destroy their buildings. Especially if it's a building that could only help the enemy and does nothing for us.