Alright, so i walked into 3 different servers today, and what i found saddened me. Nothing but a bunch of nubs tearing everything down with the smg. I'm actually not too sure about this idea, I'll leave it up to people to decide whether you want to:

a: Make the smg do no block damage

OR

b: make the smg do EEEEEXTREMELY little block damage

Apart from that, my second idea is, rather than have the medtent instaheal you, make it heal you gradually over a period of time. Say, 10hp every 2? seconds? Because far too many people just camp in the medtent with the smg, enjoying their invulnerability to teamkills.

Anyone else agree with these ideas?

Old school griefing took more skill with just a pickaxe and a shovel :(
(optional: grenades)

@Devas: Agreed. You actually had to WORK to bring stuff down. Levelling mountains could take so long that the griefers got bored and left. Now the SMG has made breaking stuff lots of fun. Even I like tearing into stuff with them (although I restrain myself to tearing into ENEMY stuff).

I've heard a lot of different ideas for the number of shots an SMG should take to break blocks. The most popular seems to be around six or seven, on average, which makes sense since the SMG is about half as powerful as the rifle against players.

Headshots with a rifle will kill griefers, even if they're in their tent.

Feh. Amateurs. The SMG makes too much noise to be a good griefing tool.

To anti-grief

1. Troll them
2. Votekick them
3. Begin ranting
4. Trap them
5. Repeat all processes.
6. ????
7. Profit.

when they gave people SMG's they didn't give it to the people, they gave it to the griefers :D

The griefers are using the SMG just wrong.
It's intended for close-range trolling.

0.54 is Ben griefing

grifers rule we use smg with infinte ammo=minigun

I just have to say:
QUIT HATING ON THE SMG, A SMG NEVER GOT UP ON IT'S OWN AND GRIEFED; IT WAS CONTROLLED BY AN ASSHOLE.

As the NRA would say: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. The SMG isn't to blame for griefing, griefers are to blame. Also, taking away block damage is a retarder idea because that is what makes up for it's lack of killing power.

So:
BEN DID A GOOD JOB AND SHOULDN'T CHANGE THE SMG, HE SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON ADDING FEATURES NOT TURNING THIS GAME INTO WHAT THE NOOBS TURNED COD INTO. STOP COMPLAINING.

Okay that was my all caps rage. Now stop being CoD noobs and doing to this game what you did to black ops.

Since .54 the forums have been degrading.

Anyone else notice that?

It's because the CoD kiddies now have the scent of blood in their nostrils because we gave them an SMG. They aren't content with a realistic one, of course, and are now clammering to have it turned into something with the accuracy and power of an M107, the fire rate of an MP5, and the recoil of an airsoft pistol. Of course, they come here whining about it to make us faithful AoS fans who want a UNIQUE game suffer. If you want to play a CoD-type game, there are dozens if not hundreds of free CoD clones out there, so STFU and GTFO of our forums and play the game you really want.

I still think the 0.53 version of the SMG was better.

I really think that it was stupid that they gave the ability to destroy blocks. It pretty much makes a quicker way for greifers to tear down structures.

No, the SMG should be able to break stuff. It just shouldn't be quite so easy.

i do not see why buildings are so important to people, if somebody destroys yours, just make another one. basically the way to get rid of these griefer people is to stop being so sensitive about this stuff. they will still be there, yeah, but if you are not so sensitive you won't care. i dont really find a problem with the game, somebody destroying the main bridge on bridgewars doesnt really matter, i can still enjoy the game.

i agree with komradekorakoff, just trap them or something

Whoa, I'm not hatin' on the smg. I love the smg. But it's just like griefer candy though.

I was just on a map where my team built up a massive fortress around the command post and intel. It served us pretty well, in that nobody from the rival team could hold on to intel for more than five seconds. Obviously, the building was of immense tactical value. We had a strong motive to kick the teamgriefers that came after it. Buildings like that are important and need to be protected.

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about, 1337. But others don't see that.

@Prioch: If it's a large important building like 1337101 said, its not easy to rebuild, especially if not enough people votekick him. He can just keep destroying it over and over again. Sometimes trapping works, but he can usually suicide and then keep griefing again. I agree, SMG should seriously not destroy blocks or at least do only half damage to them.

@Drewgon13
I think that what is "retarder" is comparing AoS to COD. I mean, what the hell does that even have to do with this?

It's not about CoD. It's about CoD's dysfunctional community of naive kids who think they know shit about realism and the military, and are wanting to push the influence to AoS instead of just sitting on their couch playing the "Generic FPS 9000" that they paid money for on a console.

We want a unique game here. Call of Duty is good and fun on its own merits, as is Ace of Spades.

How would nerfing the smg a little destroy this game's "originality"?

(PS: I have never played CoD)

EXTEMELY LITE BLOK DAMAG K?