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  • The "honeypot" trick....
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    Read this: http://ace-spades.com/forums/topic.php?id=6101

    First off) What he is suggesting is legally defined as "entrapment"

    Secondly) entrapment is ILLEGAL

    Brief explanation as to why: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100919064344AA7aUz8

    By using "entrapment" you are causing ppl to fall into the "honypot" who otherwise would have nothing to do with it,

    In short: you are taking innocent ppl and inciting them to commit a crime.

    So as mentioned in the linked thread at the top of THIS thread, no the forum will NOT use a honypot technique, because is it entrapment and entrapment is against tthe law.

    Granted no one is breaking the law here by trolling/flaming and bullying others, but still thier is no neeed to begin a honypot which would result in the mass banning of a fair portion of the player base.

    The admins just need to patrol the forums and delete the flaming/trolling/bullying posts and then ban the perpetrator for a certain length of time, and increase that for repeat offenders.

    We DONT need dumb, borderline illegal systems like "honypots" just need the admins to do their job better, thats all.

    NOTE: i mean no offence to you admins, i respect you guys and you are a credit to the game, you just need to be doing MORE is all.

    thanks for reading,

    - DE

    #99239
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    The fact that someone would even think that the people on the forums would endorse this is fucking retarded.

    #99245
    Pulchritude
    MACHA Project
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    ^That

    #99247
    Soap
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    You spelled honeypot wrong just about every time.

    #99311
    Luna
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Entrapment was once Illegal in most of the USA, but now it is not.

    Only law enforcement can commit entrapment.

    Before you call people stupid, turn on your spellchecker please. It is really painful to read what you are saying. Also try proofreading before you post, you could have summed everything up in a few (complete) sentences. Checking your facts would have removed a huge portion of your post.

    Registration will do exactly what I explained there, only it will do it automatically rather than have the admins do it manually.

    Global bans are going to make this a much better game, and invite more admins to host.

    No more grievers, no more bitching, just fun game play!

    #99492
    JoJoeStinky
    Stinkious Maximus
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    But if its automatic wouldnt it only see ban material as black and white/ good or bad stuff rather than other conditions?

    #99573
    Luna
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    @jojoe

    You miss the point, instead of banning the select few, a system like your proposing. Would indiscriminatingly be targeting masses of players. For instance if they use the keyword as a demonstration of what happened to them

    Or use it just one time?

    THAT is why we shouldn't use it.

    - DE

    #99576
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Oh jeez, we've got people doing stupid shit again.

    #99646
    Papa Khan
    Warchief
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Why someone saying "nigger" or some shit like that really affects the game that badly is beyond me.

    #99659
    ReubenMcHawk
    Renovator
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    I am not proposing any system, The forum mod already said they where working on the register thing.
    I am just going to wait.

    Bcoolface has always come through in the past for us.

    Go back to the original thread and read the thing, Like you are directing everyone else to do.

    You will see what I said.
    You don't need to feel obligated to apologize, I make mistakes all the time. I understand.

    Saying stupid stuff on servers does not effect game play. I just like fucking with redneck fucking trash.
    I am Caucasian and I live in Hawaii. I have seen first hand how fast shit escalates when people start saying racial bullshit.
    You guys make the entire human race look bad.

    So what, some black guy with a huge cord stole your girlfriend?
    Dose not give anyone the excuse to go around and abuse faceless kids you cowards.

    Rather than pick on children, Why dont you go out and find a (insert racial slur), that is bigger than you, and pick a fight like a man?

    #99707
    JoJoeStinky
    Stinkious Maximus
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    ^
    I still find you idiotic.

    #99709
    Thunderstorm
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    It's white, not Caucasian, stop trying to act/type/sound mature.

    #99717
    Luna
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Umm, no it is Caucasian, only albinos are white.:
    http://tinyurl.com/3cxh8we
    http://tinyurl.com/3vafs2

    +1 for poofie 1980's hair, spandex, and hairbands, and caucasian dudes wearing makeup!
    I have changed my avatar accordingly :D

    #99718
    JoJoeStinky
    Stinkious Maximus
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    It's terrible that people are saying things like n*gger anyway, thought it's mostly used by 14 year olds who think it makes them sound cool. But anyway a system like that wouldn't work. I say damn alot(being one of the few people on the internet that have f*ck in each sentence) and if that is part of the honeypot, i'm screwed(damn not really being bad). Besides there are always conditions and it can't tell if you say sh*t like "Aw sh*t son!", or "F*cking sh*t retard", it simply wouln't work. /two cents

    #99720
    [EX]mman789
    that dude
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    ITC: Retards.

    #99727
    Pulchritude
    MACHA Project
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    "Before you call people stupid, turn on your spellchecker please."
    +10000

    #99740
    Kanye
    Hipster
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Of all the places you could use as a source, why Yahoo Answers? That's not much better then, "my mommy said it was true"

    #99743
    WoggleGoo
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/32/Oh_the_Drama.jpg

    #99744
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    I was saying only abusive people... My server has no rules on language just behavior. Racial shit directed at children is inappropriate no matter how you slice it, so i ban them as soon as they do it.

    i don't see why anyone would be against a register system.

    It protects people on the forums too,

    Look, some people are joining as impostors... Registering would eliminate this.

    We all know and love Boss here on the forums, so here is my first example of how things can escalate.:
    THIS IS NOT BOSS!!

    ["Boss", "200.127.41.176", ": abusive behavior", null]

    IRC log:
    <pyspades> <Boss> Die nigger!
    <pyspades> * Deuce24 entered the game
    <pyspades> <Deuce17> Stop breaking my things! BOSS!
    <pyspades> <blizzrd> how many ppl are medic in my group
    <pyspades> * Deuce25 entered the game
    <pyspades> * Deuce12 entered the game
    <pyspades> * Deuce17 initiated a votekick against player Boss.
    <pyspades> * Deuce14 entered the game
    <pyspades> <Boss> Oh maaassssa! they be brekkin my stuff massa!
    <pyspades> * Deuce29 disconnected
    <pyspades> <Deuce17> You dick!, that was my hiding spot. They have intel now!
    <pyspades> * Deuce12 entered the game
    pyspades> * Votekick for Boss has ended.
    <pyspades> * Deuce16 entered the game
    <pyspades> * Deuce22 entered the game
    <pyspades> <Boss> What now nigger, you fucking, nigger!

    And here is someone impersonating a ROT member:

    ["<RoT>Pwn-Hammer", "74.101.32.49", ": Said racial slur.", null]

    <pyspades> * <<RoT>Pwn-Hammer>Because you suck at it. Let me have the intel nigger.
    <pyspades> * Deuce28 entered the game
    <pyspades> * Deuce30 entered the game
    <pyspades> * Deuce10 entered the game
    <pyspades> <Deuce13> I had the intel, what are you doing?
    <pyspades> <<RoT>Pwn-Hammer> n00bs dont get to have the intel you stupid jew nigger.
    <pyspades> * Deuce22 entered the game
    <pyspades> * Hook disconnected
    <pyspades> * Deuce23 entered the game
    <pyspades> * Deuce11 entered the game
    <jojoestinky> great, don't you guys have something better to do?
    <jojoestinky> If you are board tell you mommy to go and get you a new game please.
    <pyspades> <<RoT>Pwn-Hammer> wat are you going to do nigger lover?
    .kill <RoT>Pwn-Hammer>
    <pyspades> * @jojoestinky killed <RoT>Pwn-Hammer>
    <pyspades> * Deuce23 disconnected
    <pyspades> <<RoT>Pwn-Hammer>WTtF?
    .kill <RoT>Pwn-Hammer>
    <pyspades> * @jojoestinky killed <RoT>Pwn-Hammer>
    .kill <RoT>Pwn-Hammer>
    <pyspades> * @jojoestinky killed <RoT>Pwn-Hammer>
    .kill <RoT>Pwn-Hammer>
    <pyspades> * @jojoestinky killed <RoT>Pwn-Hammer>
    <pyspades> <<RoT>Pwn-Hammer>FICK YOU NIGER LOVER
    <jojoestinky> *Sigh*, you do know I am a remote admin don't you?
    <jojoestinky> .say I PWN YOU!
    <pyspades> I PWN YOU!
    <pyspades> <<RoT>Pwn-Hammer> U MAD BRO?
    <jojoestinky> nope, just busy... New map, no time for assholes, Have a nice day..
    .ban <RoT>Pwn-Hammer> 0 Said racial slur

    Anyway, I have seen lots of people from here with multiple player names and tags. It is obvious someone out there is impersonating people.

    Having the register thing would defiantly fix people slamming peoples names on servers. Impostors really suck.

    People are even doing it with my name, on my server, WHERE I ADMIN!!

    They don't seem like the smartest lot.

    #99764
    JoJoeStinky
    Stinkious Maximus
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    First off, Pwn-Hammer's in RoT.

    Second off, I highly doubt that first person is the real Boss.

    And third, it's cool that you don't want racial slurs on your server. But to make it customary seems a bit too far.

    #99807
    ReubenMcHawk
    Renovator
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Like I said at my lunch table last year:
    "Why can't we live in a peaceful world full of unicorns and rainbows and love."
    Then I got a banana thrown at me.
    The point is don't do anything illegal.

    #99818
    Viper
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    @Viper... So true... XD <3

    Yeah, my family always interrupts big arguements with this statement, one much like yours:

    "Okay, let's all go to our happy place now guys, with rainbows, and unicorns, and flowers, and butterflies, and candy, and..." It basically goes on infinitely. Then someone yells and the fight resumes. =w=

    @Everyone

    The only true way to fight those kinds of people: ignore it. Let it slide, allow the antagonist to look more stupid, and be the mature one. You earn respect easily this way and defeat the d***head in a blink. But if you DO let it get to you and react incorrectly, then YOU'RE the one who looks stupid and immature.

    /rant

    #99820
    Soap
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Sorry about the mistake....

    I knew it was not them (pretty sure i mentioned that in my post), ROT guys have always been cool to me and other players.

    Just some little kid obviously. Adults don't do that kind of thing. Well..., sober adults anyway.

    I am all for free speech. All I want to get rid of are abusive people.
    I have never heard a racial slur used constructively anywhere, any time.
    They are always used to make someone the "ass end" of a character attack.

    +1 for unicorns and rainbows and love! Banana chucking mean people suck! (Banana? might have been a monkey LOL!)

    #99821
    JoJoeStinky
    Stinkious Maximus
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Why can't we all just be friendly to each other? <:( I mean honestly, you can only gain more with friends, and making enemies and a fool of yourself... how does that even bring ANY form of satisfaction???

    (EDIT: FOR THE RAINBOWS, UNICORNS, AND HAPPINESS!!! --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slO7dDwB9jA )

    #99825
    Soap
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Yeah, I'm just saying I don't want "kicked for saying nigger" to be the norm around here.

    #99826
    ReubenMcHawk
    Renovator
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    It's a good point, but I mean we shouldn't encourage literal BULLYING in the AoS community, that's just inhumane to watch someone threaten and hurt the feelings of another human without taking action and allow the jerk to cause the kid misery, especially in a game that's SUPPOSED to be fun... <:(

    #99827
    Soap
    Member
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    Yeah, but there's a line between harassing someone and just saying "lol fuck you nigger".

    People always say "Lol saying "nigger" is SOOO edgy" but it's the people that react to it so harshly that give that word its power.

    #99828
    ReubenMcHawk
    Renovator
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    LOL
    Whoever that Boss was
    +1 to them
    i lol'd at the massa
    Also
    "Before you call people stupid, turn on your spellchecker please."
    Greatest post ever made on AoS in a long time

    #99841
    KomradeKevin
    Dah Bawss
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    the censorship thing reminds me of this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erthun0Pauc

    "No one is to throw any stones until I blow this whistle!"

    I highly doubt game play will be effected if we had to live without a few stupid words.
    ZOMG! I CANT SAY NIGaR ANYMORE!!111..de game IZ BROKEH!
    lol!

    Even Jehovah DISPROVES!!

    **Ducks and runs**

    #99855
    JoJoeStinky
    Stinkious Maximus
    Posted 13 years ago
     

    So I said "Why can't we live in a world like a futuristic Ancient Rome?"

    Then I got an NCR grenade thrown at me.

    The point is, Ave True to Caesar.

    #99858
    Papa Khan
    Warchief
    Posted 13 years ago
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