^What are you talking about?! Your grammer is terrible :P What does, nobody gives a shit as a sniper thats what the semi i for. I was talking about smg. Yeah that's because you wimps cant handle it.

YES I DO CARE.

The 'sniping' with the SMG only works for the first bullet. And that fails to kill people most of the time. What's wrong with making it an assault rifle? All we're asking is for a small damage buff and a lowered recoil to keep it accurate past 15 after a dew rounds, and will give us more reason to use the SMG as the shotgun rules short range and the rifle rules all ranges.

I'm actually quite experienced with the SMG, I used it all the time during .54 because I hated the cone of fire of the rifle.

Well the thing is in cod the most used guns are assualt and smg's. If we make this gun an assualt rifle it's going to be easier to kill people with. We already have the semi for that why make 2 guns that do the same?! If he kept the smg and made the assualt rifle I wouldn't mind. I would actually like that. I just believe the smg is easy to use. I dont want to be good at it, but be like everyone else. It's special being a master at 2 of the hardest guns, smg and shotgun(sorta master of)!

Im with Nowa. It's easy to use and pwn with. Like i said I can show a pic of my kill streak with it :P

You dont it get do you?

Are you retarded? I mean seriously?
THE RIFLE IS SEMI AUTOMATIC.
THE SMG WOULD STAY AUTOMATIC, WE JUST WANT IT TO DO MORE DAMAGE AND HAVE LESS RECOIL SO MORE PEOPLE USE IT.
THE POINT IS GIVING IT MORE DAMAGE AND LESS RECOIL IS SO YOU CAN KILL PEOPLE FASTER WITH IT WITHOUT DYING BECAUSE THE GUY SHOTGUNNED/SNIPED YOU.
Jeez. How the hell does CoD even come into this? THIS IS ACE OF SPADES, NOT SOME SHITTY, OVER RATED GAME PLAYED BY 12 YEAR OLDS. THE GAMEPLAY IS NOT THE SAME.

The current situation is:
Rifle: Good at Long range, mid range and point blank (currently over powered, but thats another story)
SMG: Griefing gun made for mid range but only good at point blank.
Shotgun: Short range to mid range, better at short range than SMG.

Why the hell would we need an assault rifle implemented when we can just take the SMG and give it the need buffs it needs?

You know what? GTFO, and go play CoD.

You dont get do you?

SPEAK ENGLISH!!!! That is bad grammar!!!!!! No I dont. The smg is perfectly fine. It's sad people like FALCON cant use it so they hate on it....Ben has made this game GREAT! He doesn't need haters.

Thunderstorm thats EXACTLY why I dont want it.

1) It DOESN'T need more damage

2) It could use maybe 5 more blocks for range MAX

We dont need people using it because it's easy. I like it the way it is. Im sorry people like you cant use it. It's a shame.

Lol i wont have to. If he buffs the smg it will be cod. If I wanted to play cod I would be like BUFF BUFF BUFF BUFF. But Im not. Dont ruin what ben has made because your not happy. GTFO AND GO PLAY COD.

His grammar and my grammar are perfect. I advise you to revise yours. Nobody is hating, we just want a buff so the SMG has more of an incentive to use, make it a general purpose weapon.

Ok Ill stop. His grammar is bad lol :P He missed the "it".

Well i was on the damn wii ok now im on the damn computer and thunderstorm i agree 100% with you. Zeke you know first hand im a master of the the smg which is why i dont use it.

Lol Falcon you says it's for "n00bs" I have never once encountered you playing with it as for getting any kills with it. You are fairly well 1 on 1 but 16 on 16 is a diff story :P

Im better with it :P No dought :P

You don't understand do you? Nobody uses the SMG, it's too weak. It has poor range because of its horrendous recoil.
The current stats are:
Head: 49
Torso: 24
Limb: 14
You need 3 headshots or 5 torso hits to kill a person. That's unrealistic.
Plus landing those shots are a pain in the ass because of the SMG's recoil. If anything it's more of a "harass enemy and draw attention while my team mates snipe/blast holes in them with their superior weapons", also known as the cannon fodder strategy.
A small 20% boost to damage would be beneficial as it rewards accuracy (ie. firing in bursts) instead of spray and pray, and reducing the recoil will mean you can engage targets FARTHER AWAY FROM YOU, meaning the SMG is no longer limited to the short range it currently has and can perform its duties as a MID RANGE WEAPON IT WAS INTENDED TO BE.

Good to know Falco agrees.

Hey thunder im not trying to be a douche but you need to do <"strong"> <"/strong"> for bold.

Yeah, I forgot. :P
Stupid forums and their faulty HTML code in posts implementation.

head: 51
torso: 37
limb: 6

just my 6 cents

and you two calm down ok? or go to razor's zombie server and see what's better, the smg or braaainssssss

Lol actually your wrong. I USE it. I <3 it. Actually it depends. What iron sight are you using and are you crouching. If you're doing both of those there shouldn't be a BIG problem.

The thing is they are scared to death. Most people get scared, try to run, and turn their back. If so then there's a kill. Want me to post the pic?! I have proof. Im holding the smg and it says current streak.

I do understand. It took me 1 week be4 actually enjoying it. 2 weeks to get descent kills and 5-6 weeks to be where I am now. Same sorta thing with shotgun. Now I can get 10 kills with it per life, every 3/10 lives. Just gotta practice. I feel you man. (Talking about shotgun there) I get about 5 kills with smg when Im just playing. 7-11 when Im in my A game :P

Brains are better bot shottie rules on the survivor side

Even with an iron site that is nothing but a dot in the middle of a screen and crouching (I always crouch, its a habit that has stuck with me since Halo PC), the recoil can be pretty unmanageable.

I don't care whether you get a kill streak or not, it's not about the kills, its about how it fits into gameplay. As I said,
Shotgun: Short
SMG: Mid
Rifle: Long

At the moment the SMG is underpowered and has difficulty shooting anything farther than 15 blocks without succumbing to it's increased recoil. Even one rounds pushes it up considerably, and given it's firerate, pushes it even more.

Well I can shoot about 1/3 to 2/3 of what a semi could do. It isn't that bad really. Depends how you look at it. If your confident you will make that kill, you will. If your negative nancy you wont.

Thunderstorm is right

it's not as good as it should be

Zeke is right

if you know how to use it it's good

I say

SMG = OK

Semi = better at mid-range with good aim

Shotgun = da best

Nope.avi
Maybe at close range, ie. shotgun range, but anything past that is hard to do with the recoil.

@Dany0
Oh cool..wait what?
Are you the same Dany0 from the TrueCombat forums, by any chance?

I have to admit if they Keep the smg the way it is and add an assault rifle I wont give a crap. I just believe there should be a challenge for everyone :P

Thunderstorm:
1.) Depends on how you look at it, for me mid-range is where you can hold fire at a player and you have >90% chance of hitting him even when moving. And close range is where both of you engage in combat instantaneously.
2.) Well I made what, 3 posts? But, yeah.

^What are you talking about?! Your grammer is terrible :P What does, nobody gives a shit as a sniper thats what the semi i for. I was talking about smg. Yeah that's because you wimps cant handle it.

YES I DO CARE

Faggots like you drag this place deeper into the shit pit every day.

Fix

others.

Fucking idiot, no wonder no one likes you.

Can't even find a decent debate/ suggestion thread in these forums. At least 6 of these types of threads will have some kind of flaming. >.>'

If you can't shut your trap with regards to insults, word of advice: step outside for a minute and walk it off. Believe me, I've been into enough situations which could've been avoided if my head wasn't as hot as the sun.

Zeke, you proved yourself wrong im afraid.
"It took me 1 week be4 actually enjoying it, 2 weeks to get decent kills, and 5-6 weeks to where I am now".
If you haven't noticed, there was a BIG contradiction in what you said; it took you at least TWO MONTHS to get good with the SMG. Things shouldn't work like that, within ONE WEEK I got good with the shotty (Others have probably done quicker), It took me two weeks to get good with the semi.
My point is, this game has the same principal as nintendos shitty console: Pick up and Play. It takes too long to actually get 1337 with the SMG, because: 1. the other weapons are better, and 2. The SMG is lacking.
Just because one person says the SMG is fine (although what you said is insignificant) that doesn't mean everyone else agrees, and that Ben won't change it.

Um Pomf who exactly hates me?! What is your prob?! (1) I wasn't even talking to you (2) I forgot to enter each sentence. (3) What do you have against me?!

Eh idc :P It's just my opinion. If he does he does.

I'd rather have an HMG.

I dk what HMG means :P Lol i found out. It would most likely have ALOT of recoil. Kinda like how the smg did at first :P

Pomf sorry if I came on the wrong way. You should too. This is just my opinion. I hope people see what other people feel. Friends? Also how am i putting this into the pit?! Ben made it like this. If I'm bringing it into the "pit" it's already there........

Also don't mind Falcon and I. We both hate/<3 each other. We fight to be better and or right. When we have nonsense conversations like that there's why :P