@Sneaky:
We have school :P.

yeah, and add bullet penetration model to see what internal organs of deuces are damaged, ofc based on a age of a player, add helicopter hats with combusion engines fueled by coal mined by miners paid from Ben's pocket, add stockmarket to make coal prices fluent, remeber that since price is fluent, we need rubber bullets, water turrets, batons, shields etc etc to force miners work when they want to strike, or just dont want to mine. Add item shop to let Ben have money for miners etc.

Helicoper hats could be also fueled by jew combusion, and deuces should build as many as possible swastikas around to have more fuel.

Really, most of your ideas are somewhat like mine writed above.

also
"Making weapons server-sided things would be awful. That means me and everyone else including yourself would have to adjust to different play styles and weapon properties on each server we go to. And I'm not just going to get good on one specific server for this. Although this idea seems like a romantic-idealistic prophecy that you can now make rocket launchers or buff your favorite weapon some, it's not going to work with a game such as this. Think about more weapons instead. "
No. Read my post again and find out why.

What happened to the leaders?

As it is, the rifle dominates long and close range.
Even if you manage to reach a rifle user in close range when you use the SMG, he'll just headshot you with no warning whatsoever (unless you flank).

My solution would be to nerf the damage based on range, the rifle would do more damage in mid-long range while the SMG (and shotgun) would dominate in close-mid range.

No other nerf required, as it would prevent "sniper-smgs", "shotgun-rifles" and "useless shotguns".
We could also add a pistol, it would be required for most weapons if my fix is added.

hi guys sry for that i dont post because school sucks :)

Gone, id say you would have to recruit still as it is pretty hard.
Any news about the server?

Thanks Barqa!

Yeah, from the ideas you guys have mentioned just now, adding more pellets COULD work actually... :S

TL;DR I didn't read it either. :L

the shotgun's range is fine, you can get a lot of medium range kills pretty easily, with it. I only think it needs more pellets, or more damage per shot, because it is sometimes inconsistent, even at close range. more pellets would probably be better, though, because it would be able to get more kills with one shot, which is kind of a thing missing in most shotguns nowadays in video games

No.
Shotty does need to be buffed, but from a video game perspective, i don't know how. The only way it can be any better is if it's more accurate somehow. On most games Shotguns aren't given the range they deserve and rather are given a stereotypical short range

@Yorkshire I didn't say the SMG needed to be buffed more, I said that the SHOTTY needed to be buffed. :-\ And WTF, are you even talking to me...?

Why would we need to nerf the SMG? You can't deny that Rifle commanded dominance before. It still does and it's still the best weapon anyways but I don't think that the SMG needs to be buffed more. It's fine the way it is now. It's not my problem if you lose to an SMG because you can't aim at someone's head sufficiently with a Rifle.

Making weapons server-sided things would be awful. That means me and everyone else including yourself would have to adjust to different play styles and weapon properties on each server we go to. And I'm not just going to get good on one specific server for this. Although this idea seems like a romantic-idealistic prophecy that you can now make rocket launchers or buff your favorite weapon some, it's not going to work with a game such as this. Think about more weapons instead.

did everyone on this clan stop talking?

I think maybe Ben should add something like,options or "themes" for maps.
The Default,the way it's generated today(Not that so good for a shotgun user,unless you're a tunnel rat,good for snipers and SMGs).
A map focused on close range,maybe a smaller map with pre-generated tunnels,maybe a bunker,cant really think about a good idea,but something good for shotgun users,a place where they can get kills without having to walk for 5 minutes just to be sniped by that guy with the semi,without having to make a tunnel to get behind your opponent to get a kill.Something like that.

Well for the guys who say that the SMG STILL needs to be NERFED *middle-finger to you guys* THE SMG IS FINE NOW, AND SO IS THE SEMI... -___________-' Either nerf BOTH the SMG AND the Semi or up the Shottie. We're influencing people to use the easiest weapons, not to develop their skills. Would you guys rather play with actual competitors and have a REAL GAME or play with a bunch of n00bs who only know how to do one thing?

@Marksmanship

I know how to aim dude, but when it comes to the fact that I play on mostly ALL straight maps (Goon Haven, Pinpoint, Hallway, etc.). This means that you can't flank unless it's on one of those PP maps where there's no lava damage (which is also a n00by thing... I would NEVER dare to stoop down to such a shameful tactic).

I'm not upset with the people who actually go into battle and fight me off with a Semi; I respect those people with the upmost honor that I can bestow upon them for their skill and bravery. I'm SICK of those people who hang back while the real battle is going on up close and just snipe the people who are actually trying to have a real battle... It's one thing to have a few snipers and a bunch of people on the front lines; you barely EVER see over 90% of the other team sitting back on defense and sniping, keeping the game COMPLETELY unproductive... -.-'

@shadowwriter Yeah, but now the Semi is too OVER-used... :,( As I've stated many times before, can't we have a REAL battle that's not distanced a good 100 blocks away with Semis??? The idea behind adding other weapons was to eliminate the boring idea of keeping everything based on simply keeping the battle at a standstill; SMGs and Shotties are offensive weapons, yet people don't use them nearly as much and sit around on their @$$es with Semis anyways. In simpler words, these guys aren't really even playing a strategy, they're just wasting their time and battery on their computers clicking a screen. Those who actually go out and TRY to have fun are actually DOING something in the game, while the people I keep trying to describe are just wasting EVERYBODY'S time, you know?

@Everyone Again, what I'm trying to get across is this: either make it so SKILL is actually required so that the game becomes intense and fun, or make it so that NO SKILL is required so that you can just win and let it be boring. You guys choose.

I miss when it was just rifles and it was get good or die : / i do love shottie too though :) I havent been able to try the new smg buff though cause mouse sensitivity thing is wonky on my linux machine, and windows vm too.

maybe soon u guys can host if u know how to get pyspades server's also do pinpoint

I agree with what thunderstorm said, removing 5-10 bullets per clip would be good, and then the accuracy idea is pretty good, too. I think that the guns are pretty much fine, only a few people use the shotgun, because it's still somewhat broken on pyspades

Bleh.

Guns are fine. If people insist on making the SMG weaker then just give it 10 or so less bullets per clip to prevent SMG spam and raep.
Or make it as inaccurate as before but ONLY when you are not using the ironsights.

@Yorkshire
this

there is much other things to fix
and how the weapon works should be configured sever side, and not be handcoded into game - then feel free to test many different settings and choose the official one for tournaments and "pure" marked servers

weapons ain't equal on each map
smg still is somewhat sucksy for its 150 bullet supply

...so anyone who takes the time to carefully line up a shot is a lazy twerp?

I can understand being irritated with campers, but it's not a lasting issue if you learn to aim. The thing about campers is that you know exactly where they are, which makes them easy kills if you flank them.

I've shot plenty of real-world rifles, and I can tell you for a fact that taking the time to aim properly is one of the most important things you can do to help your shooting.

^That's code for

I AM SMG NOOB DUN NERF IT PLZZ

Thanks bro. We should do a practice match so you guys truly know how good we are.

SPAZ is a decent clan it has good members and has no noobs all of them are nice so we should alliance with em

Tr1ck, put us as allies. If not, clan match?

Application for ranking up
Kills from goonhaven and aloha servers are recorded here under the name teehee
http://aos.mp2.dk/
Screenshotted kills
http://calebspencer.imgur.com/71H7J
Instead of soliciting recruits can my gun models count towards my ranking up?
For extra special help I also made a complete earth power pack for my earth conscious friends(includes player skin and woodland camo M99 semi, ak47 with knife smg, and an ithaca shotgun)
http://calebspencer.imgur.com/7679T
http://www.mediafire.com/?unq1t8jwxn616zd

THE GUNS ARE FINE THE WAY THEY ARE, NO MORE CHANGING

Hmm.... Hey frosty Can you add my skin to teh OP please?

Rifle still trumps in any case over every weapon.
SMG can somewhat deal with Rifles now though due to reduced recoil. As an SMG user I am more than happy now
(in effect, some Rifle users are complaining that they can no longer have a perfect 10-0 k/d, and instead a 5/2 or similar)
Shotgun is just for lulz.

Keeping it real
/thread