"That's because you're not taking into account the people who wield the weapons.

You're just assuming that every shootout is a straight/ dead-on gun duel."

No. That's still not addressing my points. Try again.

shottys pwn the rifle at close range.

Too wrong. The shotgun doesn't even kill as fast as the rifle at its own fucking designated range. Rifle users could simply spam those 10 shots they have at you while you take forever to reload after doing minimum damage with those 6 underpowered shots of yours. The shotgun needs a ton more pellets. It feels like I'm at a disadvantage even when I really shouldn't be with this weapon. Too many times does it take 3-4 shots with the shotgun to kill someone when they're only 10 blocks away from me, yet between 1 and 100 blocks a rifle user could kill in one. Anyone who thinks there shouldn't be a change is just as much of a bigot as the AK-74u and FAMAS users on Black Ops, who believe they simply have more skill than others, while they're actually using incredibly unbalanced and superior weapons: the AK-74u has unmatchable accuracy and damage, and the FAMAS has an extremely fast fire rate while keeping almost no recoil and pinpoint accuracy. In this case, the rifle is much more versatile than the shotgun, and does what it does better. Faster fire rate, incredible accuracy, huge magazine... who wouldn't constantly use it? The SMG has a higher fire rate than the rifle, but it's butchered by its sub-par accuracy and horrid recoil. The shotgun was intended to outdo any other weapon at close range, but it can't even outdo another weapon (the rifle) in what should be its forte, because its fire rate is so slow, the magazine is smaller than the rifle's, and it's much less accurate. The accuracy part is explainable, but it doesn't shoot nearly enough pellets to balance things. This game needs damage falloff - that is, the damage of the weapon's bullets lessen over time. For example, a shotgun would begin to be less effective past about 20 blocks, doing less damage. However, the shotgun's damage and pellet count should be increased by a lot. The rifle needs some time to rethink, as, as it is, it does too much to be competing with other weapons. A smaller magazine and slower fire rate would be a start, along with a loss of accuracy when hip firing while moving.

Well, there's my input.

That's because you're not taking into account the people who wield the weapons.

You're just assuming that every shootout is a straight/ dead-on gun duel.

(Forgive me if I'm wrong but that's how I view what you're pointing at.)

-> Nobody even addressing the points I already made.

Its the user, not the weapon....Stop running in open ground and you won't be sniped.

stop trying to shut down rifle. practice makes perfect just learn how to use it and you'll be fine

Too the people who think it's easy to be accurate while firing full-auto: The rifle has had a change in accuracy, so your first shot is dead-on, but as you're blasting away, your accuracy decreases, so the rifle gains spread when going "full-auto".

I've been able to get quite a bit of kills at medium range w/ the SMG, by burst-firing and catching enemies off guard. Don't complain about the rifle being overpowered, just use the other guns to the best of their effectiveness. I.E. Using the element of suprise, and burst firing (With the smg).

@Tek, Yes, I would, because the rifle and everything else is fine right now, there's no need to nerf it. Especially right after it has just been returned to (close to) it's former glory. Nothing needs changing right now except maybe a few tweaks to the shotgun.

So, all you who are saying the semi should be nerfed because others own you with it?

I find all the weapons to be equally useful. Rifle for long range, SMG for medium, and Shotty for short.

Maybe it depends on the map, though. On the hallway, it would be very nice without rifles, in squished urban maps, you don't mind them.

So this puts rifles in a wanted and unwanted state, neutral.
But the devs put the semi there, and I THINK they know a teensy bit more than you do.

To be honest Tek, I don't understand why you and other people clamor for the Rifle to be nerf just when it got buffed.

Would you care to explain why you proposed for this for I'm just an ignorant forum-goer and I'd like to know what you think.

@Kanye
So if you never have had problems with weapon balance then we can expect you to not have problems with a nerfed rifle, correct?

I've never had problems with weapon balance, and I don't see why everybody else does. Maybe it's because I don't suck.

to all who say "EVERYTHING IS PERFECT NOTHING NEEDS CHANGE GAAAHHHH"
stfu, youre wrong . the semi is way to over powerd, it about as easy to hit while not aiming as while aiming, its "hip" fire needs to get worse like 10 time worse...

At least we should focus on the Shotgun not the rifle.

EVERYTHING IS PERFECT NOTHING NEEDS CHANGE GAAAHHHH

That's why the rifle should have its RoF decreased, because clips can be reloaded out of battle, but it takes time to shoot at a moving target.

Make people have to be more careful with their shots.

the SMG is fine as it is, i agree with you that it is already a good one. but maybe what would be a good idea is to: give the rifle less ammo per clip, then raise shotgun pellet count, or just the second one, clip size does not really matter for that type of gun

You know, instead of making the rifle a friggin bolt-action they could just improve the consistency of damage that the shotgun inflicts and reduce some of the recoil of the SMG (though not too much- the SMG is practically a sniper-lite already). That way the rifle nubs can bask in pre-.53 nostalgia while those who don't choose a rifle can still stand a chance.

And when they aren't damaged?

I've used the shotgun, shot riflemen at point blank, and then been headshotted right back before I could even get a second shot off. Very commonly.

Rifle>Shotgun at closerange.

i am pretty sure that it is, i've gotten 1 hit kills with it before, maybe the people were damaged, but i have gotten enough to think that it is probably a 1 hit kill

It isn't.

i think the shotgun actually is a 1 hit from short - medium range, but yeah, the rifle is still a better close range gun than the shotgun, it usually beats it in most fights, i have noticed

Besides the fact. The rifle is still better then the shotgun at close range. Since the shotgun doesn't get headshots. It takes 2 shots for the shotgun to kill at close range. The rifle needs 1, and it fires twice as fast with far less recoil then the shotgun.

How is that balanced at all?

>shottys pwn the rifle at close range
Are you being serious? How are you going to GET to close range? The only way I've found is (assuming you aren't playing pinpoint/hallway/other sniper fodder maps) digging under the damn ground.

There is no way to close the distance to a rifleman safely without being entirely out of his line of sight. Headshots will stop any amount of charging soldiers dead. Unless you have the element of surprise or ANOTHER rifle, there is no way to safely dispatch a rifleman.

well, i mean, if you miss(or it doesnt kill), the guy with the rifle gets to shoot before you do. maybe making the pump a little bit faster would be good, but i dont know

^really? idk, shottys pwn the rifle at close range.
But if there a lot of moving around, rarely the rifle will best the shotgun.

i think that making it fire a little slower would be good, it's kind of better than the shotgun at close range, it seems. i'm not really sure, maybe make it a little less accurate if it is going to have this rate of fire

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The rifle could get its original accuracy back, but it's still far better than the 0.54 version.

Rifle's fine as it is.