Telling shooters to play COD.
Now what?

^BING

He got the idea

Hmmm. He has a point. You can build in this game so people are gunna build pixel art, this ISN'T COD after all...

Once, i was on the Goon Haven server on blue team. There were 12 people on blue. 3 of those (including me) Were the only ones fighting, The other 9 dumb-asses on my team were building a bunch of rainbows and kitchens in spawn, while there were so many enemies, i was the ONLY ONE defending. If they killed me, they could just walk in, kill all the retards on my team with pickaxes, and destroy all their structures in the seconds it took me to respawn. THOSE are the people that should play minecraft.
It was kinda fun though, since most of the enemy team sucked anyway, so i killed some of their waves rambo-style with a shotty.

Hah, exactly how I feel, once in a server some of them said:
something like: Stop building a bigass fort and fight! this is EXACTLY what they said after that "Stop treating this game like minecraft" then I said "stfu and stop treating this game like CoD or CounterStrike, or TF2"
Then they were going further and saying "Stop NOT treating this game like CoD"
I really can't get these people. and I agree, It's acceptable for me for the enemy team to grief me, but people in my team griefeing my buildings are just unacceptable, sometimes I just say "Stop griefeing me, why can't you just kill enemies and grief their buildings."

meh,

should stop calling them grievers, There is already a word for it:
Assholes

being an asshole is the same in this game as it is in minecraft.

Going to be nice once we get better tools to perma-ban people.

**Breaking your own teams stuff- you are an asshole.

**Not playing the game, and fucking with other people- You are an asshole.

**Telling other people to go play something else because you are ruining the server- YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE.

There is no way around it. No justified reason for it.

yo guys, imma let u finish, but i think that this is the systems:
1 if u build useless crap on a CTF server, go play a FREEBUILD
2 if u build usefull stuff and some "ally" buttface deletes it, votekick him
3 if an ENEMY knocks down ur usefull shiot then quit whining and knock down theirs, idjit.
4 if there are no freebuilds, make ur own.

@adrix89
autists CAN BE good engineers, but they wont be if you cry "OMG AUTISTICGUY123 IS BUILDING A PONY TAKE IT DOWN MWHAHAHA, GO PLAY MINECRAFT" he set a challenge for himself, and is gonna do it. give him a bigger, utilitarian challenge and he'll do it too. that's how he works. griefing won't make him do anything else.

@larslolxz
Wrong, if they were good engineers there building would not be that fancy and more structurally sound.
I haven't seen any autistic buildings that weren't easily destroyable.
However I have seen plenty of spider towers that are a pain to destroy without your own team griefing(and even then)

all the autist remarks in here are weird >.>
autists are good at what they like, and suck at what they don't like. thus, if an autist is building a giant pony, tell him to use his building skill at something useful, and you'll have one heck of an engineer. however, if you say "OMG AUTISTICGUY123 IS BUILDING A PONY TAKE IT DOWN MWHAHAHA, GO PLAY MINECRAFT" he will, most likely, go on. take into account the fact that pixel-art makers want versatile colors, and MC is predetermined.
if an autist is good at shooting, pray he's on your team.

The people who play it don't seem to think it's pointless. In fact I'd go as far to say they probably have fun doing it.

"build only" is completely pointless. Its an FPS, if you want build only the go play minecraft, because it's a building game.

Yep, the only practical way to prevent griefing is with avid moderation, and honesty and good sportsmanship amongst players.

AoS is a building and fighting game, and is not based around creativity, more for those who can use cleverness in base defense and practicality. There's definitely some psychology behind griefing, the motives are usually pretty obvious.

Whitelisted and private servers would also be more accommodating to the genuine player.

the only thing we could realy do is have a better admin sytem, and make registered accounts

"The problem with any game that involves creativity is that there are those who have none and will do their best to take it out on people who do... "

One could just as easily say that in any objective based game, there are those who have no team mindset and will do their best to hinder those who do. It works both ways, but the simple fact is that AoS is an objective based building and combat game, and both styles of play need to accommodate the needs of the other.

..and then support their griefing with "GO PL4Y M1N3CR4F7 U N00BZ :P" and ragequit.

The problem with any game that involves creativity is that there are those who have none and will do their best to take it out on people who do...

Yeah, that's what I realized as soon as I posted - but there's got to be a way to ensure that griefers can't just smash your base willy nilly. So far however I can only think of what we have right now to protect against griefing, namely admins I still think there should be stronger blocks and barbed wire, though...

Oh and yeah, I found out the map has a grid system yesterday. Whoopee!

if you can't destroy blocks from your own team then you know whats going to happen? the griefer would then block the entrance of your awesomely made base so that YOU can't destroy that blockage and therefore proving making un-griefable blocks useless

"You know, now that i think about it the map should have squares with numbers and letters so you can easily tell people where to go - it gets kind of annoying when the mountain you used as a landmark gets murdered by the Miner's guild and now you have no idea where your base is.
Other than that I agree that meaningless basebuilding is annoying, but I think that people should be able to build structures out of blocks that can't be destroyed by THEIR OWN team - thus protecting people from blocks whilst ensuring that it does not remain a permanent fixture in the landscape."

We have that already, hit "M" to see the map, with a grid.

It seems like it would be hard to implement a safeguard against team griefing...you still want people to be able to destroy any block.

I have yet to see any admins on their own server, and votekicking works but not very quickly

You know, now that i think about it the map should have squares with numbers and letters so you can easily tell people where to go - it gets kind of annoying when the mountain you used as a landmark gets murdered by the Miner's guild and now you have no idea where your base is.

Other than that I agree that meaningless basebuilding is annoying, but I think that people should be able to build structures out of blocks that can't be destroyed by THEIR OWN team - thus protecting people from blocks whilst ensuring that it does not remain a permanent fixture in the landscape.

I think build-onlys are going to have a lot of problems until a more rigid server structure gets set up. The main use for a build only IMO would be to set up an amazing hand-crafted battleground, then rehost that as a fight-only server, where noone has building rights, and only grenades can destroy terrain. Of course, then it basically becomes a different game entirely. There's not much we can do until the game gets less chaotic but try to votekick griefers and follow rules ourselves.

I can understand unless its a build only server. Build only means... build only. Why join if you just plan to shoot people and ruin every-bodies fun?

^I can see a votekick getting passed a little bit difficult when half the team is doing it

It's a WAR game, if you want to build, play minecraft because thats what that game centers around, AoS is supposed to be CTF.

Build something usefull like a wall bridge or bunker, and thats fine, build some pointless statue or "hurr blue sux" and I'll collapse it.

I decided to join the forums to have my two cents.

I was playing on a custom map server, for around 4 hours. The map had large chasm in the middle. I was on green and they were building a bridge across the chasm, and I was helping. Eventually I got bored of building, and switched to blue to do some fighting. We were being pinned down because the greens had a major advantage with the incomplete bridge. I announced to my team I was going to attempt to cross the chasm and take down the bridge (not by changing to green team though, I did it fairly). One of my teammates announced this to the other team claiming I was going to grief it, which I was not. For the next 15 minutes I was defending myself, only to be kicked for accused griefing.

In this time I had not griefed at all, I hadn't even crossed the chasm. I agree that needlessly destroying an enemy building is silly, but not if it is giving the enemy a MAJOR advantage, which the bridge was.

Just thought I'd throw that out there :P .

Many valid points in this thread. If you see someone building a useless structure such as a swastica, message, or house, do not grief it, just request a votekick.

^ that's what I've been trying to say. I approve of building (at least semi-functionally), I approve of shooting, but I strongly disapprove of destroying enemy structures just for the sake of it.

People get pure sadistic joy from destroying ANYTHING someone else made. Does not matter if its a useless statue of a a pig shitting or a camo sniper tower.

If people would stop focusing on destroying other peoples bases, towers, bunkers, ect and play the game right, it could be alot more fun.

I dunno what's more impressive, the chopper, or that massive slab skyscraper in the background