Players respawn while buildings don't.

Teamkillers are simply less troublesome than griefers.

Thoughts?

+1

what if the team killer.. and the griefer... what if they are the same...???????????????

Then you can votekick while they continue to teamkill. It's hard to grief team killing.

@dezdomniy, that's what votekicking is for :P

I like to shoot random teammates in the legs from a distance

good luck vote kicking me

Your name pops up in the message bar, so we all know it's you.

Not that hard to votekick if the chat announces to everyone "Deuce13 is a team killer." There wasn't such a message for griefers though, so we just had to take other people's word for it. If I see someone has team killed more than 3 people in the past minute, I know who I am supposed to /teamkick, and so does everyone else.

But we'll see how it turns out in the next few days.

Team-killing is just absolutely stupid, if this does not get reverted... I'm quitting. Team-killing is absolutely ridiculous and just gay. I'm building something (on my side of the map)... and some griefer comes up and kills me, then griefs my shit while I'm struggling to vote kick him (This includes reporting him to chat as well, and hoping other people vote kick him as well, which is not always the case...) And as I've seen personally, it's not at all hard to quickly change your name (Before being publicized as a griefer). And then to quickly re-join.

Honestly, just remove this and come up with a better way of ridding griefers, this is definitely not the way to go. Team-killing in any 'team game' is just absurd. Such a large change to the game should have been discussed with the public first. I mean really Ben, learn to talk?

@Lexsym: I've seen multiple abandoned forts because of people unreasonbly teamkilling in .49 (person in fort shoots, hits a block, gets teamkilled)

That's why it was made so they could only be killed while using the shovel or pickaxe. People can't just run around shooting whoever they please. It can get annoying sometimes though, but I'm sure it will balance out when a better kicking system is implemented, until then people just have to be more coherent about who to kick and why, etc. etc.

It will never balance out, it needs to just get fucking removed.

Tom is a faggot

"Your name pops up in the message bar, so we all know it's you."
Who says I actually kill them? No, I let them walk with 25hp.

@tom realy? cuase i can list 3 things that can help balance it. 1) make it so the person needs to destroy like 3(?) blocks within 10(?) seconds to activate teamkilling, but then this lasts longer. 2.) lower the area of teamkilling to the spawn zone, rather than half the map. 3) better kicking system

@alexthecreeper Quote: lower the area of teamkilling to the spawn zone, rather than half the map. What would this do exactly? Make it so you can only team kill at the spawnzone? That sounds really stupid, maybe you should just explain what you meant by that?

@artificialbox Quit trolling and actually post something that's true and related to the topic versus being useless.

@tom atm, you can team-kill across half the map, if ben lowered the area to spawn-zone, then you would only have a 256X64 area to team kill-in, rather than a 516X256 area to team-kill in, thereby lowering the area you can be killed for tunneling, repairing block spam grief, etc. etc by a lot

Tom is a faggot

^agreed(sorta)
tom is just spouting how much he hates this update without giving good reasons for it being undone

As long as sombody comes up with a valid way to prevent me from getting team-killed when I'm simply building something I may consider playing again.

I'm a faggot because I didn't give a reason as to why I didn't like this update? I'm fairly sure I gave a good enough explanation as to why I did not like this update.

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Ya'll need to just deal with it until it gets tuned up. I like killing griefers, and I think it's easy enough to get somebody kicked for unjust team killing. But that's just me.

If you are going to quit the game then fuck off and stop whining about it

^i like this guy

Clearly I said it was dependent on future changes to the game.

COOL.

"That's why it was made so they could only be killed while using the shovel or pickaxe. People can't just run around shooting whoever they please. It can get annoying sometimes though, but I'm sure it will balance out when a better kicking system is implemented, until then people just have to be more coherent about who to kick and why, etc. etc. "

Also on shooting and nade throwing. Which is why it's not just an anti griefer weapon now, it can also be a pro griefer.

Also just tested some stuff. I can block out a bridge (a bridge wars sized bridge) if I just build a wall and shoot anyone who tries to break it to pass. Same for tunnels.

Well, you'd have to be reeeeeaally committed to griefing to do that^

not realy, i hate griefers, but i was on a server an hour ago were i did exactly that, just cause teamkilling is somehow addictive

I'll repeat it again: We should temporarily disable block damage when hit by friendly fire, not kill the player. It's not a perfect solution but it reduces the impact of FF in the favor of peaceful builders.

The majority of TK grief now is based around the situation of "oh you hit one block by accident, headshot."

The majority of building grief now is based around locking people out of areas and then TKing them when they try to pass through.

So as it is right now, we still have a game dynamic that isn't the focus of the game: players vs. griefers, not Green vs. Blue. The dynamic is more balanced than before, but ideally it should be completely tilted in the favor of players.

Keep in mind: this problem will come up again when more destructive abilities are added to the game.

I can block out a bridge (a bridge wars sized bridge) if I just build a wall and shoot anyone who tries to break it to pass. Same for tunnels.

Yeah, I wanted to write that too. Exactly the same happend just two hours ago on that certain map. And since about 90% of the players walk towards the (now blocked) bridge the teamkill-griefing was very successful.
And on another server there was a guy who just went to some players who built up a fort or whatever and he started helping them but also added some blocks randomly acting like he placed them accidently. So when the other players digged those blocks to fix it he headshot them. He did that with every player who was building something anywhere on the green side and was successful in nearly all cases. (I followed him because it was quite an interesting approach to abuse this so called "anti-griefing" feature.)