This game can't be played how it's intended, and it seems that with each update the griefers get more aggressive. With this latest .49 build, instead of destroying your building as you look on helplessly, "teammates" will annoyingly stick random blocks all over your structure, wait for you to try and remove them, shoot you, then destroy it. I'm beginning to believe that no amount of anti-griefing measures are going to save this game from the losers that seem to be getting the most enjoyment out of it.

For everyone that's offering up suggestions and feature ideas - there's a serious flaw in one of the fundamental features of the game and fixing it should be top priority, not machine guns and vehicles...right?

thats not cheating

thats griefing, not cheating. but yes its annoying, but its impossible to get rid of really.

Fine, "cheating" changed to "griefing" for clarity. It's really all the same to me though.

an idea change the tk part to if they have destroyied 5 or more team mate's blocks then you can kill them not just
"oh he spawned" headshot

Just add a proper mechanism to kick people who grief/hack. All problems ever solved.

The "kill people who dig" method is 200%* more effed up than the way it was before. It is so much worse now, Its hard to play. I had almost no problem with greifers before, but now its too easy to just shoot people.

*(made up %)

permanent accounts and permanent banning based on number of times votekicked.

The amount of votes needed for /votekick to work needs to be vastly lowered. Needing 25% of the servers population to vote just to get rid of one person is just too god damn high and you will rarely get enough people to vote. Most players just don't care as long as it doesn't affect them.

I think (no matter how many players are in the server) the amount of votes needed to kick whoever it is you are trying to kick should be two. You just have to get one other person to vote along with you. Although people will complain about the potential for abuse, I still think it would be fine for the most part. Or, make it three votes. If you make it too many, then the system will fail just as much as the current one does.

@Galaxy:
Very easily abusable. What if there are two griefers?
25% is pretty low in terms of votekicking, much lower than most other games you'll find.

What we need is a good votekicking UI, and Ben has mentioned in another thread that he plans to do this. If it's implemented properly, voting will be as simple as a single button press.

"25% is pretty low in terms of votekicking, much lower than most other games you'll find."
I know some games where you vote yes/no and the requirement is something similar to "X more yeses than noes". That would work fine.

I could do without the last two public updates.

You people are fucking stupid. Do you even REALIZE how fucking annoying it was before this update? Sure, you have the dickwads who place blocks and then shoot you, but if you have ANY skill at all you can dodge their shots because MOST OF THEM FUCKING SUCK and can't shoot the broadside of a barn from close up.

Before, this would happen.

>Building epic fort
>Over 9 years in development
>It was worth the weight
>About to Thanks, and have fun
>Deuce (Before numbered Deuce update) comes up and breaks it with his shovel
>Nobody votebans him until it's too late
>More Deuces chime in to help destroy what they just built like faggots
>It all falls apart

@Lenin:
Actually I find that it's rather easy to be shot when trying to clear blocks using shovel/pick.
Plus, a fort should be quick and easy to create/rebuild too. Most of the abused ones are generally way too big/'pretty' to be much use I find.

That said, it's good that TK is here as it is a sign of better things to come:

"I mean the current TK system is just to holdover the situation until I can make a more intuitive votekicking interface... and with only a 25% threshold for votebans and admin bans already implemented, the most severe griefers are eliminated pretty quickly."

There is only one solution to this problem, as some wrote it above:

- No wannabe anti-griefing mechanics built in
-A lot more authority to the host, or an appointed player, letting him kick other players super easy, without questioning, in a heartbeat
-OR an easy-to-use, obvious, quick votekicking mechanism

Ofc you would say, then the host would kick players for no reasons, or by mistake. Personally, i wouldn't give a fuck if i was kicked for no reason. Why? If someone starts kicking the opposite team, or kicking to annoy others, then it will be a dick game, and everyone leaves the server. Or if someone is kicked by mistake, he rejoins, and contiues.
I wouldn't mind this, beacuse it is also a guarantee, that if i can stay, than it's a game without griefers.

Also about anti-griefing mechanisms built in the game rules: they can all be exploited, no matter what.

Yeah. Really, due to the nature of this game I've come to the conclusion the griefing is pretty much part of the game. I don't see any easy solution short of changing human nature.

the host CAN kick anybody, almost instantly, in a heartbeat. and when people get kicked/votekicked they get a 5 minute ban on their player

Congrats for topic ID 1337 :3.

Hardly a leet topic. Fuck yourself, griefers are cool.

All we need is a votekicking GUI and I'm sure griefers will be kicked much faster.

GUIs are for pricks that can't handle CLIs.