Because right now the only playable map is "Harbor Urban map with ServerBot" or any other server which has an admin/mod.

Aloha west servers are griefers paradise escpecially Aloha West Pinpoint.

So, I was just wondering if it's getting worked on because it should be no 1 in the list of things to fix.

I saw you on Pinpoint a few minutes ago. :/

You can't stop greifing, ever. It just won't happen. It exists, and will always exist. This is why Ben added in Team killing and Votekicking.

yet look what happened!! :D

the only way I could see griefing be fixed is if the whole game had User accounts to log in and play. Yes like Minecraft. If someone griefs which can be spotted by admins on the serverbot sever pretty quick, then they just ban the account and that use can never play on that server ever again with that account.
You might say "hurr they could just make anoder account durr". This could be fixed with a email account activation linking the email to the account as well. Which would slow the whole the process and make the whole effort tiring. Some people will go through all the trouble to make another email account and user account but the amount would be so tiny and by the time they grief (in seconds on the serverbot server) they would have to go through the whole process again and again. It wouldn't be worth it.

Ben if you're reading this and get the idea of selling this game with accounts (like minecraft) for more than 4 dollars I won't buy it.

http://ace-spades.com/forums/topic.php?id=1679
look at athiests idea

Lexsym is quite correct.
The fact is you will not remove griefing without restricting or giving hassle to the people who actually want to play the game.

I think that Team Killing is not the solution, and am glad that this is a temporary measure. Ben mentioned that he plans to create a votekicking UI at some point, my suggestion being something along these lines.

Making it easier to kick the griefers I think would solve a good proportion of cases.

On the harbor map all people did was removing one layer of the buildings and then they would collapse.

Go to a server called shams little pony if you don't like griefing, they're hosting the Normandy map sometimes, and you can currently only destroy player made blocks there. Played on it alot, and never see any griefing people.

The big ways, I think, to fix griefing are to have more moderated servers. The reason why Sham's rarely has griefers is because Sham and Hompy are usually there to kick them. Anyone who played on QFC's BridgeWars for more than a few hours knows this. As long as Roffale (the admin) was in game, the bridge was intact. As soon as Roffale left, the bridge went down in minutes. And back to Sham's, even when the admins aren't online, pyspades makes it simple to get a votekick going.

Meanwhile in aloha west servers, there are 30 Deuces who don't know how to change their name or crouch, let alone figure out votekicking.

The only things that are going to fix this are a better UI so people who don't read the readme can still at least try and be good players, and if this community stops being a complete shithole. I realize that 1 player speedhacking and griefing out of a 12 player game doesn't mean the community sucks, but if I can't get two of the other twelve people in the server to type "/votekick 4" and press Enter, then the server is a shithole, and unfortunately, 4 out of 5 servers are like this.

danke, then make ur own server and moderate it yourself, no1 is stopping u

I do not have a stable enough connection.

Agreeing with previous posters; griefing can never be totally stopped (at least not without account system), but it can be moderated. This is why servers should always have moderators :)

you can currently only destroy player made blocks there

Absolutely hate that feature of pyspades. Makes the game into what is basically a blocky looking COD as it cuts down the number of strategies you can use to two - suicide charge or build a bunker and snipe. Ruins the game and I dont play on that server any more as a result. Shame really as otherwise its quite a good server.

You can't stop greifing, ever. It just won't happen. It exists, and will always exist.

True, and I agree that genuine griefing is unlikely to go away without mods.

What I am seeing more and more now though is something that can be sorted - quite a lot now what I'll see are players simply switching sides, griefing the defenses and then switching back. This is seriously poor sportsmanship.

This is usually how it pans out:

1 - Blue has a really nice wall/sniper tower/etc giving them a really good defensive/offensive position on the map

2 - Blue dominate the map by good siting of defenses/offenses and good repair work

3 - One or more greens change side and grief the blue defenses/offenses

4 - Players who switched to blue to grief then change back to green and continue as normal

If this is you, you need to learn to be a good sport and gracious in defeat. A big ask I know as there seems to be a lot of angry people playing AoS

If I were Ben I would implement something where you can only change side if the sides are unbalanced (pyspades enforces this already I believe), and when you do you cant remove blocks for a certain "cool down" period.

Well, griefing will always exist, it's just a fact of internet use. However, we should still try to cut it down as much as possible. Registered accounts, even free ones, would very much cut down on the problem, especially if votekicks and admin kicks registered against the entire account, not just that session on that server. If a player got kicked from something once, they'd be free to rejoin any other server (local tempban). If a player got kicked again within a certain amount of time, they wouldn't be able to join ANY server for a certain amount of time (global tempban). Once that tempban expired, if they came back and got kicked AGAIN within a certain amount of time, their acount would be deleted and their email address banned from ever again having anything to do with AoS (global ban).

That's just one idea for implementation. The multiple stages ensure that trolls kicking people can't do them more than passing damage, but a determined griefer will have to go to the trouble of making a new email account every few times they grief. Additionally, the all-server tempban would strongly limit the amount of damage they can do in a given period of time.

Another solution is just to keep your servers well moderated. Keep someone (preferably not a troll) with the ability to /kick someone in your server at all times, and you'll have a lot less problems.

If a player got kicked again within a certain amount of time, they wouldn't be able to join ANY server for a certain amount of time (global tempban). Once that tempban expired, if they came back and got kicked AGAIN within a certain amount of time, their acount would be deleted and their email address banned from ever again having anything to do with AoS (global ban).

Like your thinking, but what if I wanted to grief everyone by setting up a load of servers, and then just banned people as soon as they joined?

There aren't many servers in AoS. I could easily double the number without much hassle, so the odds of you hitting one of my servers would be pretty high. Try twice and you're never playing AoS again on that account, and you did nothing wrong, it would have just been because I was being evil.

Anyway, if its just based on email addresses you're not going to stop anything. Global ban? New email address and I am in. It'll only slow (not stop!!!) if you have to pay.

I think Ben said he wanted to have a global reputation system, and that servers could limit you from joining if your reputation was too low. Sounds great but I would be worried that before long you'd have really clique-y circle-jerk servers where you can only come in with 1,000,000 reputation points and the only ones where you can play to gain any level of rep are free-for-alls because no one else will let you in.

Perhaps if a rep system is implemented, Ben will be kind enough to provide a couple of servers with graduated rep systems so that you are guaranteed a way of getting away from the Zero-club, and simultanesouly are not blocked from 99% of the other servers.

For example, if you needed 1000+ reputation points to play in anything except a handful of heavily heavily griefed servers, how would you ever get up to 1000? If there were official servers at 50 points, 200 points, 500 points etc you can at least let people progress whilst all the "l33t" players are slapping each other on the back, blowing smoke up each other's arses, and generally comparing their e-penises as they continue to award each other more and more rep whilst newer and less-regular players are trying to have a good game.

On the pic:

Smoke trees.

FUCK YEAH.

1337101 i like our thinking. I think registered accounts are the best solution. Along with not switching sides to grief, and rep system.

But with the rep system instead of not allowing people into the server, it will show that persons rep to everyone else. That way is i press tab I see that Fatfuck8 has a rep of 0 I'd be pretty suspicious of that mofo.

I really think that if we have free registered accounts with email activation(with maybe a 5-10 minute wait), It would really tire them out of greifing. I'm a mod on the serverbot server and if I see someone greifing a building. I just instantly !ban Fatfuck9 before he is done. There would be no reward for them and they have to go through the process again and again and again if they wanted to get back on the same server. I think they'd be done after 3 accounts. I takes me seconds to ban and takes them 10 minutes for them to make another account.

I thought i'd tie some ideas together.