*shoots guy in head with rifle*

Crisis averted, no harm done.
The SMG makes killing people with rifle even easier! Because now they are as harmless as a fly.

nope.
i dominate with the smg, close and far range.

Lets see... 1 shot kill thats instantaneous vs 3 shot (minimum) kill that isnt instantaneous.

Unless you snuck behind me really close, but if you let that happen to you you are a really bad player who dies by any weapon.

Anything you can do with the SMG, you can do just as well with the rifle. The rifle can also be fired accurately while moving and standing, and doesn't give the other guy a chance to react.

i completely agree with lexsym

I find the SMG to be pretty powerful at 50% to 75% of fog distance. The rifle's better at more than 75% of fog and at extreme close ranges, thanks to its combination of accuracy and power.

The SMG's a great weapon for raiding parties on vanilla maps, particularly for blue raiders into green territory, where the low hills make for sudden engagements at middling ranges, where a marksman has to take time to aim carefully and a gunner doesn't.

Frequent short bursts make pretty quick work of your enemies. Pro rifle users are still a risk, but anyone less than pro will get humiliated.

>crouched next to enemy bunker
>see gun poking out from window
>stand
>"HEEEEEY!"
>shoot up the place with the SMG, finish it up with Wheatley grenades

Mmm.

Don't go peeking into bunkers with an SMG. You need to be able to one-shot or you'll be schooled.

I prefer to jump up on top of them and look down until the guy's under me, then shoot through to him. It's impossible NOT to get three headshots at that range from straight above, and they can't pinpoint the threat in time. Six shots will bust through and blast the guy you're dealing with.

Above all, do NOT surprise a rifle user from in front with an SMG. Sneak up from the side or behind if you don't want to be shot in the face.

@spengbab man i love doing that :P

*Fires with rifle*

*Misses*

*Oncoming spray of 9,001 bullets*

FUUUUU

9,000 of those bullets will miss you at any real range.
the bad news is all your cover is gone.

still smg do have a place in the hands of skill raiding teams to the rate of 1 in 3 to take out any walls.

You're all stupid, lolol.

Well, I won't say the SMG is underpowered or anything, but that exact scenario happened to me. A guy popped out of a hallway and started spraying me with bullets, and I headshot him with my rifle.

The issue is such an encounter doesn't actually leave you with 'no harm done.' In fact it left me with around 3 hp.

If your point is that the rifle is a viable close range weapon (and so the close range SMG is redundant), that's really not true, as it's a lot harder to get a headshot on a target moving around in your face than it is to spray out some SMG bullets and kill the guy. Pretend you're some elite super-skilled marksman all you want, in reality the SMG will mess you up more than the rifle.

If anything, the SMG's overpowered.

It's also really good for combat in cluttered hallway-type environments where there's lots of random cover but a relatively small field of view to cover. At long ranges you can spray the entire hallway with ease to keep the snipers down, and at medium range you can totally slaughter people. It's also pretty formidable at close range... I was able to take out two rifleman that popped up from the floor at one point. I took no damage in that encounter.

In fact, the only way that anyone managed to kill me in that situation was with grenades. The SMG was pretty powerful for clearing the pathway for raiding parties.