(To set some ground rules, I am doing my best to be as third party as possible, I am NOT trying to represent anyone, I am NOT currently banned, and most of all, I am basing my argument off of astute observations)

(DISCLAIMER: There's some slander in here so kiddies steer clear. I'm not angry either ;))

This is absolutely insane.

I've discussed this before in a topic, and obviously I was not clear enough somewhere in it. Singular, isolated, and small instances of grieving, hacking, or personal vendettas from different servers or out of game DOES NOT SHOULD NOT WILL NOT WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN CONSIDERING constitute A FUCKING GLOBAL BAN OMG SO SRS. If I take down a small fort it does not mean I will do it in LITERALLY EVERY OTHER SERVER KNOWN TO MAN. So, to make my point, I'm going to make a much longer post loaded with so much SFI your pretty little faces will melt onto the keyboards from the light of a thousand suns pouring out of your monitor from this thread.

Stack before has said that in the future, (and currently as a feature in Spadille, maybe in the software now as well), it should be so that people can chose to sync with the global ban list if they so choose. But, these pyspades server setups probably come standard with synchronization to the global blacklist out of the box after installation and would probably otherwise require you to go to some sort of "ADVANCED USER OPTIONS PRO" section to disable it (or something similar, if you don't get the fucking idea you're crazy).

No one is going to take the time out to find it and then disable it. It's like the standard installation option of most programs, no one disables any of the special feature packages that come along with it. I don't disable Google Chrome's automatic DNS Prediction service which helps my browsing experience speed up nor am I going to take the fucking time out to do so. I'm a damn American and I want the fattest burger with all the fucking bells and whistles you can put on the fucker.

So basically, you can count out the fact that most admins will not opt out of pyspades global ban list service simply because of this fact, and even if it becomes a "required installation option", they'll just keep the box checked, and you'll still be banned from 80%> of the servers in the game, which might as well be 100%, since no one plays in the others.

"butbutbut jazz we handpick our trusted admins so not everyone can do this so ur safe." Judging by the Global Blacklist, there's a sudden influx of random admins, some of which don't even run a server and simply have their status because they're popular or make cool maps. But hey, I'll be fair, let's look at who we got.

bcoolface, ok fair enough creator of the game.
danheeze, he's a mod so why the hell not make him global admin, he would never have any grudges against anyone here (*cough*).
Enari, don't even know who this is leads some random third party server Minit i think which also now autokicks random deuces because hardcore pro serious mlg aos players like us don't need any nubs in our gameplay.
izzy, runs the aloha servers that aren't up anymore anyways.
JoejoeStinky, the best of them all, banning what looks like 7 a day, and also apparently makes redundant maps which also covers a large majority of servers which automatically opts him in for admin status.
Kindred, runs kindred servers i think which are now very popular.
Lythrynyx, hey this guy's a new mod on the forums now let's give him global ban permissions too.
matpow2, self proclaimed god and might ban you anyways on his always massively grieved server.
SAC, automated error generator
Sham, MLP hooray.
StackOverflow, made the software fair enough i guess.
TheGrandmaster, another random 3rd party vendor server guy.
Tocksman, banning like hell on Goon and apparently banning someone with a dynamic ip even though they appear to not be on the list before.

All of these people and their servers cover probably 50% of the mainstream servers which are also the only decent, and I'm not going to the other ones with shit connections or ones that are empty either. Judging from what I'm seeing as well, it seems as if whenever a new popular server comes up, the person running it immediately can just get global permaban status. Also, the approved global admins could also probably share passwords with their own "LOL TRUSTD ADMINS HANNDPIKD" which populate their servers to use on the global blacklist as well if they so chose to do so, which is definitely not out of the question since the same thing happened with a few random forum moderators as we see in the list. As in synchtube, bros are going to share their power with other bros whether they deserve it or not.

So going on, I was looking at the Global Blacklist and noticed some really kosher bans. I will focus on a special guy, JoeJoe, in particular due to its representativeness to the majority of the other bans. Observe this image. Lets do some fun analysis on the validity of these sudden and impulsive bans!

List Number 1! Party time! "shows different in-game name" i have no worldly idea what the hell this means does he hack his display name i guess he means he changes it. "God Mode" OH NOOOOOO MY AOS EXPERIENCE AND GAMEPLAY IS NOW DIE I CAN NO LONGER HAVE FUN DUE TO SUCH AN AWFUL RUSE PLZ BAN NOW GO. "Fly" That's cool bre. Birds do that too. Therefore all grievers are birds! He's so evil! He must be having too much fun doing that. Ban! "Harass people" Get off your fucking dick this is the internet and you're taking an anonymous person's insults seriously? Fuck. Someone's new here. They're trolling and simply want a laugh, no one's to-the-fucking-heart serious when making fun of people.

#2! Changed my beginning paragraph format clever! "shoots through 10-30 blocks at a time (block)" Redundant is redundant redundant. Oddly specific estimation we got here too. I guess we got out the clipboard and conducted a lab experiment to find these numbers. Can you state to me the distance the griever was away from the structure in micrometers? This guy must have a bad ass gun to be causing such harm. Deal with the shit. He'll go away.

Row #3! I'm so horny talking about this now. "break protected block" juggernaut alert someone sure seems powerful. this is some badass form of griever i say. Just replace the damn things stop bitching. "terroristic threatening female player" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU ARE FUCKING FUNNY I am seriously laughing right now there's no way you can be serious right? Just ignore them. Ain't no one doxing your ass either. Or wait, does this mean he is just "terroristic"? Does that mean the act of taking down a structure is terrorism? It's a god damn game. Or is he a female player? Or is he threatening a female player? The "female" player can just ignore the fucker. It's much easier to do on an internet game than IRL com'on guys.

List Item #4!!!! The number of exclamation points corresponds to list number! I'd say we're on quite a roll here don't you think? "Team killing" Well shit on a stick and potatoes in a sack I think that includes just about every player in the game. Stop destroying blocks then you dipshit. Or get over the shit, he'll get bored and go away eventually, maybe if you didn't fuel his lulz then you wouldn't be tortured. Ban every griever patrol while you're at it, as said, they do it too, and therefore fall under classification with this griever. "vote evaiding"Let me help you spell that one honey, it's "evading". I've seen so many faggots do the same thing and it turns into one big hellstorm. Get over it and let the guy finish whatever he's doing or have fun protecting "invincible hack" so that's what the kids call it now? i thought it was "god mode". Also, ^V OH NOOOOOO MY AOS EXPERIENCE AND GAMEPLAY IS NOW DIE I CAN NO LONGER HAVE FUN DUE TO SUCH AN AWFUL RUSE PLZ BAN NOW GO. ammo hack Is this even a fucking reason? I think your K/D can stand a hit. Your precious leaderboard status will be retained, please don't die. Shit, if he has god mode, does it even fucking matter? You're just putting shit down now.

List Item #5! Same thing I said with 4 but without the 4! I like dick. "works with someone else" "LOOK THE GRIEVERS HAVE EVOLVED THEY ARE NOW FORMING PACKS." - some guy who posted this ~beta .35 What the fuck? I don't think this falls under any of the fucking global ban reasons? It's not grieving since working together for a common purpose is different than the aforementioned thing, which is grieving, because if it was, then you could ban both blue and green team for trying to work together too hard, it's not cheating no questions there, it can't possibly be spamming since there's no rapid entering here, and fucking shit it doesn't even fall under other because as said before teamwork is part of the game but still does not directly mean grieving, plus there's no partner ban with this guy. Congrats joe you have accomplished actually not being able to fill out the "other" category. "ammo hack" BAMF of the year award goes to this guy I tell ya."no gun kick" he must have some strong arms ;) deal with the fucking shit is it really that bad? is he like, causing earthquakes with his mighty muscles as he defies physics?

SPECIAL GUEST EXTRA #6 CAPSLOCK FEATURING IZZY. "unlimited ammo" oh my fucking god lock up the hull baton the hatches drop the gate code blue we have got a ammo hacker. I mean really, at least the previous bans had something paired with them, but this guy, he's just too badass to fucking be chained and only a perma global ban will calm this fierce man. Like really, the only thing this guy is saving is a 6 second reload, you can probably still kill him. K/D spared.

LUCKY NUMBER 7 and i know I sure am because I don't have to comment again on this stupid shit because I've covered it already.

#8 I'M GETTING TIRED OF typing but I'll keep going anyways!! "working with ^^ griefing" OOOO WE got ANOTHER team PLAYER! PARTY! Ban anyone associated with these guys and be justified! "team killing" ANOTHER team KILLER! WOOO PARTY! What will we ever do this guy is infinitely powerful! Nothing can stop him! Obviously such an isolated incident deserves immediate banishment! "racial attacks" oh come the fuck on get off your god damn dick i see african americans calling each other nigger all of the time. I'm Anglo Saxon and i don't cry when I am called cracker. "Fly" Not flying, not fly hacking, just fly. He is fly. Yes. Too much fun again so we'll go ahead and stop that.

Last One number 9 mixEd caps! This one is my favorite by far because it's scary. It's a ban off of assumption. It also questions the validity of a previous ban. "known hacker" Don't. fucking. ban. period. someone who hasn't even begun hacking yet. That's like me saying I think John is a witch so I ban him from the community or drown him because I lie and say he sent his spirit upon me or some bullshit. Looks like someone was mad at someone. Would you ban me just because of reading this thread and seeing me come on your server just because you think I'm a griever? Of course i could be wrong and you could mean "he was hacking and we knew he was a hacker" but that would be a weird way to word your ban but it's not out of the question based off these other weird reasons. "break protected block" if he hasn't even fucking hacked yet, then how can he break protected blocks? are you even sure that you have those blocks protected? Also, as an added extra, he adds "GOTCHA" to the end of it. You don't fucking taunt someone you ban, that's fucking childish and only shows you're banning because you're mad at them.

Global perma-banning for these isolated and individual instances is absolutely appalling and absurd.
The whole idea of the Global Blacklist is absurd. Just ban the griever from your own little world (your personal server) if you want them gone. Don't take it into your own foolish hands to ban them from EVERY FUCKING SERVER IN EXISTENCE FOREVER, thus preventing someone from playing a decent game. It doesn't take long to do so. And I imagine losing a few blocks in the 10 seconds it takes to type "/ban ip x.x.x.x" won't kill you. Hell, before it's taken out, you can stop being lazy and take 10 minutes out of your time to document the current blacklist and individually ban each ip on your servers since you're cool like that ;)

Overall, I don't see why people like this are always flipping out about grieving or hacking so badly in the first place, causing the need for all this bullfuck anyways. The griever/hacker will leave eventually due to boredom. Stop taking the loss of your virtual structure so seriously and stop begging to have someone permabanned, and likewise stop permabanning because of such. Just rebuild. Enjoy the spectacle. Have fun defending. Stop flipping the fuck out.

Of course I know people will still cry about the aforementioned shit because they are children and like their little sandcastles or CoD K/D.

I'll still have this thread ;)

Summing up your little peon reply/rebuttal based off mere summaries from the beginning, end, or title of my little essay here, like writing a last minute term paper for your college English class, is fucking stupid so you should probably get the hell out if you were dumb enough to do that

Wow long post

but true

I agree with Mini Moose.

10/10
Would read again
Your best work yet.

Before you go
LOL TL;DR
Its a REALLY GOOD OP,
Dont even fucking bother posting against it
IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE WHOLE THING

Screw Ibooks. I know what cyber-political masterpiece I'm reading tonight on my Ipad.

If this: http://ace-spades.com/forums/topic.php?id=5763 kind of a guy has access to the gobal banlist. I think I should too.

Give Devas access to the Global Banlist too.

Not to mention JoJoe added both me/kanye and shadows ip with fake names and fake reasons as we weren't even playing at the time the ban was added. I just got back from dropping my grandma off a the airport to find that we were added to the global ban list with some random name I don't even remember. So it seems like he is making up bans for people that have somehow offended him on the forums.

His account has been frozen for now though until Stack get's a chance to talk to him. Hopefully it stays that way. It was clearly a mistake to add him as a trusted admin, as he is clearly ill and seemingly unstable.

Nicely written post, Jazz. I got a little teary eyed by the end.

Terrific.
I agree completely.
Oh and JoJoe banned my IP with a fake name called Admin[*] on his server when I never played there in my whole life or even AoS for a good couple of days.

make sure to keep a copy (screenshot) of this as presentable evidence
http://ace-spades.com/forums/topic.php?id=5763

of Jojoe's position and maturity.

LOL Tyler. The fail of that thread makes me cringe

When JoJoe first joined the forums I told everyone in the chat that I hated something about him.
Well turns out that was a right feeling.

I will be listening to this song when justice is done.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-ESX84HYTo&feature=related

I lol'd tyler

i got quads
in op
lol

anyways
i wish not to be offensive to anyone in my post
even though i am
simply making suggestions

tweaked op just a little
edit
tweaked more
i'm done

Very very true, in the last two days alone, JoJoe has submitted SIXTEEN BANS, YEAH, SIXTEEN FUCKING BANS to the blacklist. I totally understand why the GBL can be helpful in some cases, but it really needs more thought. Server owners, unless they've come to an agreement with a majority of the other server owners, should only be able to submit bans that are native to their server. And the fact that he added me, my brother, and shadow to the list with fake names and reasons is just appalling...

I'm having a hard time staying objective to this post (and considering it serious also), seeing as you first say you're not angry, call yourself a third-party, then call me a self-proclaimed god (that bans anyone, apparently - I don't use the global ban list). I'll try anyway.

Systems like PunkBuster have a global ban system also, which are automatic. No way to appeal your ban. In some cases, even your MAC address gets banned. Our system is way more primitive, and requires admin confirmation. Admittedly, I think the nature of some of the bans are "weird", but I definitely think they contribute to a better game in any case.

If people don't like JoJoe's bans, they can add "JoJoe" to the blacklist. That takes you exactly 8 characters to do. Pro option? I don't think so.

If you think pyspades doesn't work "correctly", you can always fork it under the GPL. There will always be a difference in opinion among some of us, but maintaining your own fork, representing your opinion, is possible.

Wow, can't believe I spent 5 minutes of my day to read this..
"TheGrandmaster, another random 3rd party vendor server guy." - that made by laugh! I could address each individual on that list (except JoJoe since I don't know him too well, but others could vouch) and say why they should have access to it.
- bcoolface: creator
- danhezee: forum administrator, has access if he found someone hacking
- Enari: Minit server. He's been running it for a long time now, and trust his judgement
- izzy: Aloha servers. Look at the server list - are you blind? Again, these have been running for a very long time, and izzy is also a forum moderator.
- JoJoe: other than being a contributor to the community through his maps, he's been fairly recent - his server happens to get a fair few hackers passing through hence the access, but we might try and arrange a few other admins or something there to get a second opinion.
- Kindred: Large server owner across several games who happens to do AoS servers. The admin there has good judgement, and is willing to help find some of the hackers that pass through his servers.
- Lythrynyx: he's a new forum mod, but has been a wiki administrator for ages. He makes good decisions everywhere else - like danhezee he has access if he needed.
- mat^2: I've been watching this guy develop pyspades from day 1. He's also an IRC Operator and has shown good patience and judgement in that role also.
- SAC: I believe he's a large server owner, but am not entirely sure.
- Sham: ran Sham's Little Pony for a very long time. Of all servers, his is popular and the admin staff he has are great, leading to a nice server to be in.
- TheGrandmaster (me) - I'm a floater, I'm admin in 5 or so servers, most of which I can monitor from IRC and drop in-game when I suspect someone. The ban I made was after ~10 minutes of following the guy, and getting a second opinion from another admin in that server. Other than forum mod, I'm wiki admin and IRC op.
- Tocksman: A large server owner across several games.

Pyspades does come with it as default. But all the options are pretty clearly displayed in the config file - it's not a hidden option of any kind.

As for the rest of your rant.. the fact is that the game has been attacked by a load of hackers lately, too much for StackOverflow to handle single-handedly. We are fed up of hackers coming along to ruin the game.
'Just testing the hacks' - do it where we cannot see you.
We have a no-tolerance policy on the hackers currently. If we can be sure that it is most definitely a hack you are using, you shall be banned.

Just so happens JoJoe was confronted with alot of hackers, but we'll investigate nevertheless.

The fact that quite a few members of the community are suspicious of JoJoe's bans is important. Not to mention the fact that Kanye (and Arti) and Shadow were added to the banlist for literally no reason.

"Admin said so" isn't necessarily a good reason to immediately suspend all disbelief.

it is really, really, really easy to stay out of trouble

Translation of the WHOLE OP: "I got banned."

JoJoe's account has been frozen since the incident along with some of the bans temporarily lifted until they're properly explained.

As for the syncing, pyspades enables it by default and can be disabled in the config file easily and like mat said, server owners can "unsubscribe" to certain blacklist admins.

The people on the blacklist are fairly trusted members. Ben, danhezee, and myself currently have full access to all the bans incase it's ever needed. The issue will be resolved.

The sad truth is, players brought this on themselves. Don't want to risk being banned? Don't act stupid. Like I've said, there's pretty much no tolerance at this point. It sounds cruel, but so is life.

Well, most, if not all server-owners do know how to change the config (and disable the banlist)

long before even pyspades existed we server-owners shared our ipbanlist (firewall bans) to keep griefs and hackers out.

And if you can't respect the rules of an server, leave and join another one....

We want this feature and it's here to stay!

it seems to me that only the admins of the banlist are the only ones arguing for it.
@StackOverflow
Don't act stupid. Like I've said, there's pretty much no tolerance at this point. It sounds cruel, but so is life.
I say: then why was Kanye, Arti, and Shadow banned if they more than likely didn't do anything? What if this happens again with any of the other people on the forums, made by people other then jojoe?

@Pinky-Conehead like I said, it's been dealt with.

@StackOverflow
What if this happens again with any of the other people on the forums, made by people other then jojoe?

Then they'll be dealt with accordingly.

Got it :P
just wanted to clear up some possible questions that others may have :P

well, i think the admins actually cleared that up pretty well,

The admins are known and trusted ppl, and an investigation is being held just in case.

I agree with tgm that:

If we can be sure that it is most definitely a hack you are using, you shall be banned.

^ Even if your "just testing" or "wanted to see if it worked" you should still be banned.