No hard feelings, I just want a solid registration before I really play anymore. This doesn't mean we need "achievements" or ranks or anything like that once we finally do get it. I want it for the following reason:

A name that is permanent, at least for that account, would be much more difficult to grief with. This is because:

You have to build up a reputation with that name. If people know all you do is grief, they're going to kick/ban you from their server, simple as that. No more getting around this by simply changing your name in the config. You'd be limited to ONE name, and ONE account (per email address of course).

I think this would bring down griefing a lot simply for the fact that many little kids just aren't willing to go through a registration process (and create a unique email for each account, no less) just so they can ruin other people's fun at the game. I already know griefing won't be entirely eliminated, but it will be brought down a lot from what it is now.

What we also need are better votekick mechanics. But Mr. Aksoy knows this already. I'm not really holding my breath for a votekick system built right into the UI, but it'd be nice. And besides, HOPEFULLY, when we finally get mandatory registration, votekicking will be a much less used (and needed) function.

well, what stops you from having 100 accounts? :O

I personally like the IP banning :)

you might not have any problem with IP banning, but i have a griefing little brother who uses the same IP as me. which means that when he gets IP-banned, i get IP-banned.

well if you have to have a separate email for each account... making a 100 accounts would get really annoying

no, dont leave us kaede :O
though your right, this is a much discussed, often requested feature, i myself have requested it a few times. i realy do wish ben would add registration with 1 acount per email. plus this might remove some of the annoying kids. so all in all, i give this a +100000000000000000000

I agree but I don't think it's enough to quit playing a game.
Also: not enough decent servers.

Cormz:

well, as you may have noticed, some at this forum don't have a problem whit making multiple account :/

larslolxz:

Well, then you have to teach your brother to behave ;)

I'm not quitting entirely, guys :P.

I just won't play as much (which wasn't that much anyway to begin with, lol)
Maybe like a couple times a week now.

Right now, I'm enjoying my dreamcast emulator and taking care of my chao.

Also, Enari, those are like what, 3 people?

Enari: most people who meet my brother want to throw him in the north sea with a millstone tied to his feet. he's ill-mannered, annoying, violent, unreasonable and dumb.
he doesn't listen to anyone, much less me, his big brother. plus, he has some friends who are the same as he, and play this too. they meet up and tell each other to go griefing. if you meet a deuce who calls me "homo" you can be pretty sure it's one of his friends.

Account registration would be a waste unless people were IP banned, and only Ben has the power to do that. I doubt he'd like spending his time, banning users who have been kicked on servers.

Enari, that's a retarded idea as people can change their IP.
That's why I can't be banned for harassing vent and TS3 servers with soundboards, I come back 30 seconds later with a new IP and they're helpless.

Well said. Although most of the people primarily affected are the people building unnecessary retarded structures

I think that if people have to register, unless they are a properly boring sod with no life, then a temp ban on their account would make them realise that they need to stop. Or a perma ban after 1/2 temp bans. Accounts will cut out at least *50%* of the greifing from the fact that people wont want to have to keep making new accounts to grief one server...

Idk about *50%* lol but it would be a lot.

@Mr. Paradox: IP banning doesn't do anything to people who can just change their IP address on a whim. This whole thing is so that creating accounts becomes a hassle, and that people are forced to play with ONE name, unless they feel like going through the trouble making another email for another account.

In my opinion, registration would be more effective than IP banning. It's harder to work around for the griefers no matter how you look at it. Once their account is banned from a server, that's it. They can't just switch their IP to get around it, they'd have to make an entirely new account, and I just explained how that process would be annoying for the griefers.

This will end a lot of griefing.

And @Corgi - No, most things being destroyed are premade structures, like oh I dunno, bridges, buildings (bin laden compound, harbor urban, etc) Things like that completely destroy the gameplay on the server. Playing bridge without a bridge is fucking retarded. It seems like griefers just want a flat, empty map because they have no hide-n-snipe skills.

Kaede I was thinking the same thing. People who register have one solid name and build a reputation and will become kicked easy and eventually they won't bother. Also an idea could be moderators, ben could choose people that he trusts to occasionally watch over the game to check for hackers or griefers and ban/kick them.

Right. Like specific accounts designated as moderators that automatically get access to some admin commands upon entering a server. More commands issued to the player as Mr. Aksoy sees fit.

A level 1 moderator would simply have access to instant kicks and mutes.
A level 2 moderator could have access to temporary bans, in addition to what level 1 has.
A level 3 moderator could submit reports on the player's account to have them permanently banned from all servers.

This is just an example, of course. It would be a nice implementation if Mr. Aksoy considered it.

An exception to this rule would be that server owners would of course have complete say in what power the moderators are allowed to bring to their server. If a server was designated as a "griefing' server, for example (lol) moderators would have no power there. Of course, not many would want to play in a server with no moderation, so there's a good, natural balance.

I would say that you have to be careful giving moderators power in servers that they dont run. It could be a good thing, but it could go wrong. you would have to be given a 'level 4' or something if you were the admin to kick/ban Mr. Aksoy's mods, if they became a problem in your server.

I still think that the server console displaying the servers chat and kills would be a good addition and make it 10 times easier to mod as you dont have to be in-game to do so. Along with a memory of say 5 for kicks rather than 1.

Kicks and bans should remain server specific, but a total of maybe 5 bans or kicks on your account would result in it being terminated.

There needs to be no "kick memory" at all. Once a kick/ban has been issued, it remains so, regardless of how many people you kick/ban after that.

And of course, moderators abusing their power wouldn't be a problem if they're hand-picked by either Mr. Aksoy or the server owners. A server owner designated moderator would work differently than a permanent account moderator though.

Example: You are a normal player with no moderator benefits at all on your account.
You enter your friend's server, he gives you moderation rights FOR HIS SERVER. Server owners have absolute power over what goes on in their server, they can't be kicked, etc.

If you're a moderator picked by Mr. Aksoy himself, your account gets flagged as one, and you are a moderator automatically (unless otherwise specified by the server owner) upon entering the server.

I really hope that makes more sense to everybody.

How about a simple report button built in to the GUI once registration is made?

Type /report #

seeing that users are registered they can't change their names.

Or how about:
Email registration + ip banning
none of this global moderator crap, because ive already seen how abusive people are with power on shams Normandy server. A team with a mod on it is a team thats won. Server OWNERS giving rights to them is fine, but making sure they dont ABUSE them, ect. If they have godmode on, they cant kill and cant score for intel. So, therefore rendering it useless unless their building. If they are using indestructible blocks, they cant go and trap the enemy's tent in them, so they can only build on their teams side of the map and cant switch teams for howeverlong.

If people know how to reset their IP, they probably also know how to get "fake" e-mail adresses.
Anyways, a mandatory registration could be a huge turn-off for newer players.

"Anyways, a mandatory registration could be a huge turn-off for newer players."

Griefers, not new players.

If you can't take a couple minutes to register for a game, you shouldn't be playing.
This is one of the very few games out there that does not at least require some sort of registration.

There is no positive side to that. If you can't be bothered to register, fuck off.

I am speaking from personal experience...
When I introduced a friend of mine to the game and taught him how to change his nick, he was very happy and said something along the lines of "great, finally a game where you can easily register"
Anyways, making 10 or 15 accounts in a row should be an easy process which takes less than 5 minutes... Which is sometimes the time needed to change your IP.

You would know, wouldn't you Devas? Had a lot of experience in this field, haven't you?

Anyway, most if the imbeciles that grief couldn't be bothered doing it anyway, it'd just be you script kiddies.

Also, your logic fails. First you say "oh registration would turn off a lot of people because of how hard it is"

Then you say "Registering 5-15 accounts would only take 5 minutes"

It seems like you haven't read this post yet, Kaede-chan
http://ace-spades.com/forums/topic.php?id=1760#post-21067
Edit to your edit: good point. A dedicated griefer already "enjoys" the game, so he is motivated to make said accounts. And he's using fake email adresses which are easily accessible.
All that the newbie knows about the game, tho, is that it looks ugly but is easy to download, and therefore could be less motivated to put up with the registration.
Especially if he's using an "annoying-to-access" real email adress such as those ending in gmail.com

Stop trolling, Devas. Did I hurt your feelings, babby?

You're one of the last trolls left on this board, because you have a way with words and squirming out of trouble.

You one of those "dedicated griefers" you speak of? Notice how nobody likes you ingame because all you do is troll and grief?

Yes, you are really hurting my feelings, and I am going to ask you to stop for the last time, PLEASE.
What you are doing falls under "directed abuse".
I am going to stop "feeding your troll" and ignore you from now on.
EDIT to your edit again: you are saying nonsense. I just had a nice game in Lexsym's server (Harbor urban with Serverbot or whatever it's name is...) and besides from a "votekick for griefing" which was a sad misunderstanding at the beginning (and didn't get through) my team mates liked me and respected me and we had lots of fun&teamwork... You can read the logs if Serverbot has them you're an admin there.
(And I'd like to thank Jaguar, Ion and the others for the good game.)

DOUBLE EDIT: you are 100% totally free to disagree with me. What's the point of a forum then, if everyone agrees on everything? All I want you to do is stop the ad-hominems and name-calling (griefer, troll, script-kiddie) and "threats" to get the "moderators to remove me" as if I was a piece of crap and fallacious statements such as "nobody likes you" which have been going on for a long time, and are against the rules. It makes me sick, and you're making yourself look bad by yourself. Right now, it's you who are ruining the debate, by calling me a troll and insulting me instead of answering to my valid arguments...

TRIPLE EDIT: I am not supporting their ideals or anyone's, I'm just being down to earth and realistic. There's nothing that you can do to completely stop griefing whithout making the gaming experience worse.
And what I do in the game has nothing to do with what I do on the forum. How can you know that that Devas was me, and not someone impersonating me? Besides that, I didn't complain about the admins on Sham's abusing their powers, you can ask him. I completely deserved that kick, and what you considered as "pissing people off" was just me showing hompy how some of his actions didn't really make sense (they said that putting blocks all over some constructions was allowed, so I put blocks on others and "people got pissed off")

Oh god, I hurt his feelings over the internet. Somebody call the waaambulence.

Seriously dude, you're fighting a losing battle here. Nobody likes you.

Edit: Good, then you can leave my thread. Or I'll just have one of the moderators remove you because you create these ridiculous arguments between us.

You disagree with something you know is going to make me say something, and when I do, you cry and point at me and make me look like the bad person.

Edit again: It's not the disagreeing with me, its the reasons for why you disagree that you give. You're basically saying "griefers own this game, and no matter what you do to change it, they'll always win" and that is what pisses me off. The way you're saying it is like you're supporting their ideals instead of everybody else's and you're coming into MY thread with that bullshit.

And I'm not going to stop calling you a troll, griefer, and script kiddie (granted, I don't know for sure if you're a script kiddie, but I've got a hunch) because it's 100% true. On sham's servers you were given several warnings about griefing and being an ass in general and you kept doing shit you knew would piss people off, and when you got kicked, you complain that the admins on sham's server are "abusing their powers". Very childish.

I fail to understand how forcing registration is making the game experience worse for honest players? Are you even trying in this argument? The only people this will inconvenience are those that grief (even if only a little bit, for the truely dedicated griefers) Myself, I'll be fighting for first in line for registration. Sign me up, because I know I can build up a good reputation with my name.

"I fail to understand how forcing registration is making the game experience worse for honest players? Are you even trying in this argument? The only people this will inconvenience are those that grief (even if only a little bit, for the truely dedicated griefers) "
I did NOT say that forcing registration makes the gaming experience worse for honest players, just that it could make a few of them not want to try the game.