i think the AK-47 is probably the most reliable weapon in means of endurance. you could hide that shit in mud, pull it out, maybe wipe some shit off and start shoooting

@mcsixto: Yup, but even if I had an AK-47 (I don't... not my cup of tea, really) I'd still clean it as regularly as I could. Technically it CAN shoot when it's covered in mud, but that doesn't mean I'm going to cover it with mud when there's no need to do so.

unless you were in vietnam or in in some other backwater country

...even if you were in Vietnam or "some other backwater country", there would be no need to purposely cover your gun in mud.

@1337101: I agree with you about the cleaning thing, it's important to keep moving parts oiled and free of debris. But holy shit the whole gun's made of stainless steel! That means you could scratch the barrel with sandpaper, leave it in the rain for a month, and it wouldn't corrode.

blood and gore

@MegaDeuce: Yeah, that's pretty cool, although that's got to mean it's expensive and heavy... any idea how much one of these babies costs?

Plus, corrosion is a long-term maintainence problem, but blockage is a short-term one, and shotguns are the devil for that. You'll end up with a whole ton of crap in the barrel after a while, mostly residue from the wad but also from the propellent and the lead shot. As far as I can tell, having a stainless steel barrel won't really prevent that... keeping the gun lubricated and cleaning it reguarly will.

Needless to say, I can be a bit OCD at maintaining firearms. Lol.

im not sayin you should stick you AK in shit the moment you get it. imagine your in a rainy forest and you need to hide your weapons cause you cant carry all of them around. thats what i mean by hiding it

i honestly hate the new hit spread "cone of fire" jazz.
if my hit has the dot exactly on someone's head...i dont find ANY reason why it would go anywhere OTHER than that person's head unless there's like wind or some other factors, which up to date i dont know about :/

the game isn't fun when some random dude who just started playing can get headshots by being inaccurate while someone whose been headshotting for a while misses a lot (as compared to before) just because the cone of fire deliberately makes them miss.

@Cherry: Yeah, I agree. Here's why:

The way a real rifle works: The more time you spend aiming carefully, the better your shot will be.

The way the current rifles work: Aim quickly and don't worry about being totally precise, since the shot will be innacurate anyways. Just get as many shots off as quickly as you can.

No, 1337101, I think the semi has just been made to be less like a sniper rifle and more like a low quality assault rifle without burst.
Think: AK-47 accuracy. Not a real accurate weapon.

Yet it only carries 1/3 the ammunition per magazine of an AK-47. Not to mention the fact that an AK-47 can (during semi-automatic fire) easily score hits within a 6-inch group (depending on the quality of the ammunition) at 100 yards, which is about as far as the beginning of the fog in AoS.

The rifle seems to be based off of a WWII era Gewehr 43, which is a pretty damn accurate rifle at such short ranges.

>Implying all AK-47 magazines hold 30 rounds. I have a few 10 round mags and a 75 round drum. (I actually own an AK-47).
All I'm saying is that based on the hit spread it was given, it is certainly not as accurate as it used to be.

The point is that the rifle seems more based off of a WWI or WWII-era infantry rifle, which were usually actually overpowered for what they did, thus the Stg44 and then the AK-47 were invented. The most common way to turn Gewehrs, Lee-Enfields, or Garands into sniper rifles was to simply put scopes on them. Nothing else, except maybe a bipod, was required. No chambering changes, no replacing the barrel with something else, or anything like that was done.

Plus, I just like the realistic rifle combat mechanics that the old rifle promoted. The more carefully you aimed, the better your shot was. As an experienced user of real-world rifles, I can certify that that's the way a real gun works. Spray'n'pray mechanics are all fine and good for the SMG, but the rifle should be a precision weapon.

Kaede, I believe you just went up in my regards quite considerably.

Man, all I have is a shotgun :<

@PinkDozer: The current rifle nerfing means that there's almost no point in being a pro at aiming any more. There's almost no point in being even slightly pro any more, since the deciding factor in most engagements thus far is luck and not skill. With rifles, the only factor that should be influenced by luck at all is whether or not the gun fires properly (it generally does. I can't say I've ever had a misfire with a gun from after 1900 [I've had a few times where a Springfield Model 1861 has refused to go off, but a new primer has always fixed that problem for me thus far] because I'm so darn OCD about cleaning my guns... but I digress). Where the shot goes onces it's clear of the barrel is entirely a matter of skill IRL, and I'd like it to be that way here.

You see, the old rifle mechanics were uniquely like real life. The current ones mean you can run around CoD-style and not worry about getting your ass handed to you every time by someone who knows how to aim.

@MegaDeuce: What gauge?

@leet 101 Sorry dude, I was going offtopic and I was ambiguous. I was only talking about the AK 47 with a drum magazine irl. I agree with you about the gameplay for aos though.

Ill weigh in ontopic. Everything has been said already, i agree with Beret etc. rifle should be pinpoint accurate. etc etc.

(looks up what a bolt action rifle is)Oh thats what that is. Don't we sorta already have it :)

@mman789: Way to necro, but the current rifle's a fully-automatic (although the low rate of fire makes it seem like a semi-automatic... that's how most players use it). A bolt-action requires manual reloading after every shot, so they're really only good for long-range combat where precision is more important than rate of fire.

They're also great for marksmanship practice. My favorite rifles for target-shooting are bolt-actions.

@133707 Meh, mabye later but right now we need more basic weapons pistol, shotguns, assult rifles etc.

@mman789: I'm not actually suggesting they get added. When the current rifle gets back ot its old accuracy (and it had better, Ben!) there really won't be any need for any other sort of rifle.

The current rifle IS semi-automatic. If it was full auto it would be firing like the SMG.

Some people seem to have got the idea I was suggesting bringing down the recoil AND firing cone of the SMG- I was saying reduce the cone, but then balance it out with either steady (counterable) recoil or reducing stopping-power to balance. Or a combination of the two. Basically so that the accuracy is much improved, but while keeping the gun competitive and balanced to other weapon(s).

Also Danke you're right, sorry, I should have said 3 *more* hits or so per block with the SMG. That's what I was driving at.

In its current form, in my opinion, the SMG is nothing more than a scare tool that provides suppressing/cover-fire.

@Beret: And considering it's called semi.kv6, and the way the gun handles, I think we can ignore the technical "automatic" nature of the gun simply by pressing and holding mouse 1.

@Beret: Technically speaking, it's fully automatic, since when you click and hold it keeps firing until the magazine is emtpy. You're right to treat it as a semi-automatic though... I do the same, and I think any other good player does as well.

I think the rifles old accuracy is needed. At first i thought my sniping skill was off but nope. Now i know the accuracy is way of. Also while i still get 60kills in around 20 minutes the rifle take about 30 minutes to ge 30kills. I belive this is a bag ratio. The accuracy is not the problem at all. The spread and terrile tap fire is the problem. The tap fire which is usally perferd is laggy. tap once let of 2 rounds. U sit there trying to tap fire a rifle men for a minute before he finally hits you because of the rifles crappy aiming now.
I belive adding a knife and a handgun would make it even harder to select a wepon making the hotkey bar to long. a shovel to the head could take 60 damge and the body 30, pick axe could be 25 to the body 50 to the head.

If adding a Hand gun, i think it should be a faster fire then rifle, high accuracy but hit only around 20, and the strength drastically lowers past 30 feet, so it doesn't become a sniping problem.

About the armor drops and health i believe that should be a whole entire new class.
They can carry the requested shot gun( 8 round clip, 50 damage PS?) but have a armor and health slot where the shovel would be per say. Like an engineer. And if turret were to be built strategically around the map then they could use like a welding torch and take maybe 25 second of sitting thereto build the turret.

Another thing i am so surprised not to have seen on here. SPRINTING, i wanna hold shift and book it to the next destroyed piece of cover. Sprinting is one of the most important aspect of any shooter. this would allow easier Intel recovery missions and run across the dreaded no mans land.

4th class could be heavy, a automatic heavy machine gun 40 damge a hit, as fast as the smg, more accurate but more recoil, and possible less spread. He would also carry a mortor like what was said before. 2-4 gernades strong.

But with more power come more responsbility. have 12 plus people vote to kick a grifer really, when halfur teams griefs and the other side doesn't care cause there aainst you this won't work. Make it only 6 even 8 would bebetter votes to kick, were america we can't vote right already so why make so many of us vote. Cause either they won't, or there the grifer. Its just like the hack problem, its not the hackers who are the problem, its the ones who don't kick them.
Im tired of coming into a 7 vs 16 team, saving them from complete desturction, giveing them time to breath while making 3, 4 deep by XX thick walls with peek holes and everything, while takeing care of the other team alowwing us to hold them back. olny to have a grifer come and destory all 3 walls, because even tho our whole team votes where 4 to 6 votes away because we only have 8 people and the 16 other hate me and the other great players on our team for killing them, they don''t vote. There goes 30 minutes of bull shit fighting of being completely out numbered and still beating the other team down the drain(cause we have some great players in AoS ;3)
Im trying to say im great at this game cause im not, im just good, but i have a very strong hatred of griefer and hackers and frankly i consider the worthless to anyone and i wish many of the would frankly live the rest of there lives in misery. The ruin games that cost people money and there on welfare (like mabinogi, combat arms WoW etc all the games with money) I hate them and no matter what they say there voice is takin away cause the no good bastards and i mean every word i say. :/
See now im mad :/
love you AoS

Since this is still alive, I say down with that dreaded semi cone, or at least narrow it even more.

Not something that hasn't been said a bazillion times before, but the more say in it the better.

Little.Kitten is right. It is needed to fix the lagg. Because sometimes you shot a guy at close range on the head and he don't die. Another important thing is: Please Mr. Aksoy come back with the old rifle because this one have a horrible accuracy. The old one was easy to headshot someone (now the shot spread some pixels away to the point of aim). Thanks!

Is it real to make bobbing while walk\run?

@MaggotHATE: Somewhat, but a lot of people find view-bob annoying, and it can even trigger motion sickness in people that are sensitive to it. It's better to have it always off than always on. It doesn't really make sense to add it as an optional feature either, since people with steady views will have a slight advantage over people using the bobbing.