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  • Update 0.62 The Sidearm - Proof of concept
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    Hey guys,

    Iv been thinking alot about the often mentioned idea of adding a side-arm to the game, now Ben has somewhere mentioned he MAY add this in future, i couldn't find the direct quote for you.

    So Im going to throw out a few ideas as to how it could work, and id love for you guys to give me some feedback or add your own ideas.

    P.S: Side-arm is a slang term for a handgun/pistol
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    Basic dynamics - pistol or nades/ pistol and nades
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    My initial idea with the side-arm goes one of two ways,

    1) after choosing 1,2,3 for your main weapon you get a choice of either 2 grenades or a low power sidearm. This option makes you think more tactility about the game.

    2) You have grenades as normal and change to the sidearm by pressing a different key, but this takes away the whole tactics idea by making everyone totally versatile which makes gameplay a lil bit more basic, and less risky.

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    Basic dynamics - The pistol mechanics
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    Rounds in magazine: 9-15 (because thats an average amount for a low power sidearm)

    Total rounds: 30-40

    Accuracy: medium range

    Fast: faster then semi

    Damage to head: 50

    Damage to body: 25

    Damage to limbs: 20

    It is a last resort, quick draw weapon, for those "OSHIT" moments, or when you run out of ammo.

    Also it could mildly help the shotgun users who suddenly find themselves in a wide open area, or the enemy to far away to effectively injure with the shotty.

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    The Ironsights
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    Typical handgun ironsights, vaugly similar to the semi, but the edge parts at either side are closer together, making it more narrow, as a handgun is narrower then a rifle.

    Some pics to show what I mean,

    PIC1: http://tinyurl.com/3hsjbla

    PIC2: http://tinyurl.com/3qyvv89

    PIC3: http://tinyurl.com/3b87ng9

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    As said before, this is just a few ideas on the weapon mechanics etc, so please post below with constrictive critisims or other ideas etc.

    Thanks for reading,

    - D.E

    #74501
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    - Reserved

    Suggestion design to fit in with the others: A colt 1911

    #74505
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    GOOD IDEA

    #74506
    PINATABOY_64
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    How about giving the SMG a much needed buff, and including pickaxe/shovel damage? Slow down on the weapons folks, the current ones aren't quite perfect (except the shotty is perfect IMHO, the rifle needs a very minor buff of 40 to 50 for bodyshots)

    #74534
    TheOperator
    Veteran Modder
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    Wow, common guys, I would like some srs, in depth analysis of my idea? Ben...I swear you were online a moment ago! EXAMINE MY IDEAAAA! D:

    #74536
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    @TheOperator

    Good ideas, but this thread is about the pistol, wether it gets added or not, could you read my ideas and maybe give sum feedback on what you think about it? thanks =].

    #74539
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    Sounds good, I could do with one since I run out of ammo alot with the shotgun.

    #74569
    XxX-lol-XxX
    ...
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    A side-arm would be pretty practical, especially for those near death/out of ammo situations. I kind of like the idea of being able to choose between either a side arm or grenades, since like you said, it kind of forces you to be a bit more tactical with your decision.

    I guess the only things I would suggest is increasing the headshot damage since...well..you're kind of getting shot in the head lol. The other is not so much a suggestion, but more of a design decisions I suppose. I guess after you choose your primary weapon you could then be prompted to choose between either a side arm or grenades, both of which have their trade offs. I can see a lot of users complaining about the number of prompts (remember, this is the internet, people are lazy) and just wanting to pick a gun and go. So design/prompt structure would have to be thought out so it's not bulky and not so intrusive to the user.

    Overall I think your suggestion is really good, just a few personal opinions of mine along with the importance of end-user design.

    #74570
    StackOverflow
    Key Master
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    ^ Defiantly agreed about the fact ppl may complain about having to many options at the load screen, but as you also say, ppl will complain about anything.

    Increasing headshot damage could be a smart move, I just didnt want the sidearm to be to lethal you know, otherwise it may as well be a separate main weapon lol :3

    #74575
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    IMO Handgun should have it's own slot along with grenades having it's own.
    My take:
    2 paths, the A path and the B path
    A path.
    12 Rounds loaded, 36 carried
    Accuracy: Up to Mid-Short area. Not enough to go for a mid range.
    Reload: Faster than the semi by at least 20%
    Firing Speed: Semi-Automatic. 0.001 pause between shots.
    Recoil: Not too much. About 40% of the rifle per shot.
    Damage to Head: 30
    Damage to Body: 25
    Damage to Limbs: 20

    B Path
    10 Rounds loaded, 30 carried
    Accuracy: Effective until 10 blocks before the A path pistol.
    Reload: A Path
    Firing Speed: A Path
    Recoil: 60% of the Rifle
    Damage to Head: 45
    Damage to Body: 35
    Damage to Limbs: 29

    Examples of pretty much a 9mm and a .45 ACP Respectively. Remember, these are the same cartridges that the SMG uses.

    #74582
    Bobbunny
    Teh One Bunneh
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    ^ Problem is, the .45...you might as well just power it up alot then make it a whole new main weapon, a service revolver =/

    #74594
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    The pistol should be a Deagle Brand Deagle.

    #74598
    Papa Khan
    Warchief
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    It should be a glock 17/19 or maybe a berreta.

    It just a lil moar realistic that way.

    #74600
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    Taurus Raging Bull.

    #74606
    Papa Khan
    Warchief
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    ^ Be realistic man! id like it to be an automatic,

    To fit in with the other guns, a colt 1911....AWW YEA!

    But if your intent on a revolver then a webster 1942 perhaps?

    #74608
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    Ruger Super Redhawk w/ Scope.

    "But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?" - Clint Eastwood, Dirty Harry

    #74611
    Papa Khan
    Warchief
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    I think the handgun should shoot as fast as you can click the mouse. :p

    #74621
    jetx065
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    Mauser C96

    #74623
    Papa Khan
    Warchief
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    I think it should be an M9 Bereta, and have 9 round clip, 45 round backup.

    #74628
    SamSniped
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    LeMat Revolver with secondary shotgun mode.

    #74730
    Papa Khan
    Warchief
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    if there isnt a S&W 500 magnum this update is wasted.

    #74735
    Fluttershy
    Yellow Pegasus
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    Id prefer an automatic for a sidearm, a revolver should be a whole new weapon.

    #75003
    DeathEnhanced
    The Grand Exterminator
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    you were talking about logging in as an admin and advertising ranks in my thread

    #75010
    underdog
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    Shining example of making a proper suggestion thread.
    (Good job, Chief.)

    Pistol should have somewhat more range than shotgun, but less than the SMG.
    Also pistols have a fast firing rate, and are semi-automatic.
    I'd recommend a M9 with a magazine of 15 bullets. Its firing speed is 3 bullets per second.
    Body damage:16
    Head damage: 24
    Limb damage: 10

    #75012
    [PMS]fleek%
    Seabreeze
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    back on topic.
    I hope the sidearm is next, but I would like secondaries, e.g SMG + Shotty.

    #75051
    [EX]Frosty
    Best Served Chilled
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    I know nothing about guns or their physics but if there will be pistolS I would like a six shooter which would pack more punch but would have more recoil and cone, the other one could be more modern type with more bullets and accurary, but less power.

    By the way I prefer the "nade or sidearm" more than "nade and sidearm".

    Also lets try to be more creative, does it have to be a pistol only?

    OFF TOPIC:
    TheOperator wrote:
    How about giving the SMG a much needed buff, and including pickaxe/shovel damage? Slow down on the weapons folks, the current ones aren't quite perfect (except the shotty is perfect IMHO, the rifle needs a very minor buff of 40 to 50 for bodyshots)

    I disagree with the rifle buff, it is currently very accurate and the king of long range fighting.

    #75056
    Tek2
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    He He... Webly MK.II

    #75095
    [C.H]Winston_
    Extreme Brit
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    *ahem*Colt M1911*ahem*

    We seriously need some sort of backup weapon to rely on if we run out of ammo. I know I do a lot, probably because I never die ;P.

    I really like the idea of swapping out the 'nades for a sidearm, but I think you should have a bit more ammo for the pistol than you guys are suggesting (hell, why not infinite ammo? Nerf the damage a bit and it becomes fair). Also, it should fire as fast as you can click, which would make it a handy tool in some people's hands >:D.

    #75108
    Mafia200100
    Member
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    ^also no recoil.

    #75110
    [EX]Frosty
    Best Served Chilled
    Posted 8 years ago
     

    Revolver :D\

    #75120
    [C.H]Winston_
    Extreme Brit
    Posted 8 years ago
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