It's not the rifle. If we moved faster/sprint and the heads were smaller it would fix it.

Seems like buffing all the other weapons is good but how far will we go with it? And how the rifle would compare afterwards. Also, I'm in favor of shrinking the heads a bit, but I guess that's something for another topic.

^ No, you don't want smaller heads...

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=l5z78qyxwqywcqs&thumb=4

My conviction still stands. Don't nerf the Rifle (too much) as we've already tried that. Just make the other two weapons more devastating.

Jesus Luna, we meant smaller not puny.

That is about 1 block off each side, if you remove a block on each side the eyes will be on the sides of the head, and if you move them in its a cyclops, if you just remover from the top it will look too short and if you just remove from the sides it will be to skinny, removing from the back and front would make it look stupid as well.

the shotgun is good, it has range and power but the low ammo, it up side is its scatter make it easyer to score a hit.

the smg lacks the accuracy to kill at mid range(30+ blocks) or longer with speed,yes you can fire single rounds and hit at long range but it takes to long than the rifle.

the rifle is overpowerd only in that A) most maps lack the need to use other guns
B) it has 100% accuracy from the hip this and the fact it can one shot kill make it the best all round gun.

What shall we do to balance the rifle? Let's ask the community... again:

"Every gun has their ups and faults, but I say the rifle is fine as it is."

"Don't nerf the Rifle, we already did that. Buff the other 2 weapons instead."

"Something should be done, I agree with that. But making all of the weapons shit? Why the fuck would you want that? What's wrong with upgrading the SMG and shotgun? I'm really not seeing the point of mindless nerfing, when we could just make the two afore-mentioned shitty guns quite a bit less shitty."

"Anyway, I agree that it isn't the rifle that needs a nerf, but other weapons need buffs.
The SMG is too unstable to use very easily. Crouching helps, I supposed, but you aren't meant to camp in one spot with a fully automatic weapon in a game like this.
The shotgun should also be somewhat longer range."

"how can you say the rifle is unbalanced? If anything, the other weapons are underpwered, its not the rifles fault it's colleagues are pointless. If you were going to change the game, leave the rifle as is, but beef up te other weapons."

"If anything, make the rifle pin-point accurate again, then increase the effectiveness of the SMG/shotgun."

"Lay off the rifle OP, focus on improving OTHER weapons so that there as good as the rifle."

"just make the SMG and Shotgun better at what they do."

"I know that rifle is pretty much a death machine compared to the other weapons. But in any case rifle shouldn't be nerfed.
-Instead buff SMG and shotgun. So easy."

"buff the SMG by reducing recoil and giving it a damage increase (25%-40% increase), and making the shotgun fire an extra 3 pellets (total of 9) should improve the balance alot, IMO."

"Seems like buffing all the other weapons is good"

"I say make them all overpowered, if they are all overpowered, they are all balanced=none of them overpowered."

"Someone said this already, but instead of making the rifle worse (which older fans of the game will dislike), make the SMG and the shotty better.
Yes, the rifle is better than the other two weapons, but that doesn't mean that its overpowered and that it needs to be downgraded. It means that the other weapons need to be improved so that it can stand a chance with the rifle. The rifle was downgraded once already with the rifle cone, and look how poorly the community responded to that.
If you improve the SMG and the shotgun, we get to have our good rifle, and we also get a good SMG and shotty, as opposed to a bad rifle, smg, and shotty. Everyone wins"

"This thread has been made countless times."

"as many people said, balance can be achieved by making the SMG (and the shotgun, if you really think so) better, to be on par with the rifle. Much better to have three good guns in the game than three equally mediocre guns."

"To all of you doody heads arguing that the rifle is fair: no. I couldn't hit shit during 0.54, so buffing the other weapons might be the way to go."

"Rock, paper, scissors.
When someone doesn't like what they can do, they chuck in dynamite. But then someone says "scissors cut the fuse" and it's balanced again.
My point is we should stop whineing about nerfing the rifle and focus on strengthening the other weapons."

"Just buff the SMG and Shotgun if they're THAT underpowered. Gimping/nerfing gets old after a while, and the Rifle certainly doesn't need it."

"i think the rifle is just fine, i do think the smg needs more power and a litlle less recoil. The shotgun isnt really effective in a open world map, you get picked off before the enemy is in range."

"Improve the other weapons! The answer isn't always nerfing, and like Crisis said when the rifle got nerfed it didn't work. So we need to improve the other weapons."

"If all three weapons were made equally effective without bringing the rifle down, then we'd have a good balance without all the weapons... you know... sucking."

"don't ruin the rifle. seems like you got sniped alot and then got pissed and went into the forums to complain. rifle is fine leave it alone just improve shotgun and smg. shotgun needs to shoot faster and smg needs to be able to kill faster"

"Don't nerf the Rifle (too much) as we've already tried that. Just make the other two weapons more devastating."

So can we stop flogging this dead horse and all go home now?

what beret said.....im ready to slit the wrists of the next person to comment on how good the SEMI(not rifle) is and then stand there watching as they bleed to death
...i almost never get that annoyed