DO:
-Build structures that will help your team win.
-Build structures protecting intel.
-Build connecting paths/roads taking people from bunker to intel to base, etc.
-Get mad when teammates destroy these specific structures.

DONT:
-Build useless pictures.
-Build structures useless in war and far from battles.
-Build structures blocking the base (it isn't useful).
-Get mad when enemies destroy structures.

@Bum
Seriously, I agree that this game isn't only about building or killing. I like doing both of those things, but I just hate when people get mad about me destroying a base with grenades. I don't get worked up over somebody destroying my base, and I have a pretty short temper.

What I hate most of all, though, is when somebody makes a giiiiaaaaannt penis smack-dab in the middle of the field. I think that people who build shouldn't go play Minecraft, but instead build something that'll be good for cover and will be good for tactical advantages. I think the builders should avoid being trolled on by doing what they love, but in a useful way.

ToXiC has the right idea at #8209 or the start of the Page 2.
He's a genius.

@ToXIC i agree with you on everything except the defending base structures, those are useful aslong as they dont block it

I think this problem will mostly go away by itself once the win cycle/map cycle is tweaked to refresh by itself so that people don't have to join servers which are 78-105 and broken to shit.

Also (as pointed out more than once) people seem to be given to building stupid garbage about a third of the time.

@alexthecreeper

Yeah, that is pretty much what I meant. Don't block it. Otherwise it should be good

Since we have the F1 map saving option, building pointlessly isnt pointless anymore.
All builders are welcome to do interesting, innovative stuff.

Just pointing that out.

I like how people get mad and ban me for destroying their smiley face or whatever retarded thing they want to draw on the floor when the intel is out in the open and half the team is building the damn thing. THESE kind of people do need to go and play minecraft

Ah, something to clear up.

Many people are arguing against something I didn't intend. I'm not defending useless stuff, I am defending the existence of useful things like sniping towers and large forts with windows. If someone builds a pony in the corner of the map, I wouldn't personally touch it, but I would not defend the builder if she started to complain.

What I was trying to touch on was that structures that have any aesthetic potential are griefed by both teams regardless of whether they have any tactical merit. I tend to build extravagant but still useful sniper towers in strategic locations. These are both fun to build and play with and also tactically useful or at least a fresh place to shoot from, so I would think that both camps would be satisfied. When a sneaky player kills me then disables this tower by raising it with a shovel, I have an objection.

It seems most people in this thread have either the mentality that a building is either completely utilitarian or completely useless, when in fact I am arguing in defense of a mix between the two. I simply don't understand why players advocate for the destruction of anything greater than a 3x4 bunker with a window, when these more extravagant structures are the most interesting part of the game both aesthetically and strategically.

In my opinion, the useless megastructures give the server personality, and the useful structures are for functionality.

It would be boring to jump into any server to see the same old hills with the same old bunkers. I have nothing against one or two dedicated builders in a server to jazz up the bases.

@above

aesthetically pleasing buildings go out of the window when the enemy team can easily destroy them (and so can your team). Spending too much time putting non functional details on a building is just pointless in this game, it will be brought down eventually and very quickly with a shovel (and if the enemy does, it is fair game) and you could've used that time to build more useful buildings somewhere else or attack/defend positions where needed

The nature of this game favors frugal and utilitarian buildings much more, if what you're building doesn't give you an edge over the other team and can't be easily reconstructed, you're doing it wrong. useless 3-floor castles and other overelaborated building are useless

just think befor you build(or level) how will this building help my team?

will it A) give my team an advantage i.e.Better cover, sniping positions, faster or safer access behind enemy lines
or B) Denial of advantage i.e.block lines of fire, slow moveing

quick list

*will a hidden Bridge help if i put it here?

*should i make a wall to stop sniper fire?

*is this tower/bunker over looking a high traffic place?

*how big is the right size for this tower/bunker? too big and it will get griefed,too small and it is no good.

*who will use it?

*how can the other team use it? can thay walk back down this Tunnel to the intel

remmber, a small Tunnel and a bunker can help more than a 1000 block mega fort, if it is maned and in the right place.

Well I don't mind people strategic forts and whatnot, but when you have 5 people in your team doing nothing except for building frickin' houses in their base and stupid shit like that, it's just annoying, and those people should play minecraft, imo.

What i do is build something, and take a couple screen caps of it.

^^^
Awesome.
If you think of it properly, if you are making a piece of art, someone comes to grief from the other team, bam! ban = 1 less spade to deal with. Now with things like the infamous rainbow bridge on Sham's server, that's legit on usefulness.

Once on The Irish Guard server blue had built an awesome defensive wall with alot of windows and big size: from B8 to B4 + C5 to C3.

We (green) had done alot of unsuccessful tries to sap it down. Tunnels did nothing as they built it on the highest parts of the mountains.
Flanking was useless - there were just so many of them and it was close to the spawn.

I even wrote "respect for that wall, blue". They didn't reply :\

After about 40 minutes since I joined the server (and I joined when the wall was half-done) we had finally dismantled it and made useful for us.
I guess that happened because the defenders left...

THAT'S what you should build/help build, builder guys. Something for warriors to protect your possessions.

I usually dig small, compact foxholes with good sightlines in the sides of mountains.
And then I connect them to an existing tunnel network, return to the foxhole and start sniping blues.

As far as I see it, Ace of Spades has three things to it. Building, breaking, and shooting. The point of the game is to have a team doing all three.

If you only want to build, and get angry when anyone breaks something, go play Minecraft.

If you only want shooting and are going to get angry at people building, go play...Any shooter really.

If you're going to run around breaking the other team's stuff, then...Well honestly this is the best place. Just don't break your own team's crap, or switch teams for the sake of easily destroying enemy buildings.

Yeah, thats right Deuce 13 (you know who you are) FUCK OFF!!!

I believe any buildings are fine there are no rules for this game (i think), though i prefer tactical over non-tactical. I just don't like when people complain about the enemy destroying their structure, they're the enemy they're trying to kill you. Also don't switch teams to grief thats just a jackass move and signs of a cheater. AoS as i always say is an FPS Minecraft it is a mix of two great game types, shooter and building. Let's enjoy it. = )

you did not just call it minecraft with guns :O (prepare for those trolls m8)

Quite frankly I don't see what you are all complaining about, I dont mind the builders, even if what they build is silly.

The way I see it, if you're not building something that is useful to your team, you are an annoyance. If you're destroying friendly structures BECAUSE they are not being useful, you're even worse.

Often these useless structures or pixel art actually do end up being of value. I remember seeing someone try to make an American flag, and much of the enemy team abandoned going for the intel and instead tried to get the flag destroyed. It served as an unintentional diversion for almost the entire enemy team.

Once there are win conditions and resets extravagant building will dry up.

If your autism is strong enough, you can over come anything!
http://i55.tinypic.com/r10h3a.jpg

I dunno what's more impressive, the chopper, or that massive slab skyscraper in the background

People get pure sadistic joy from destroying ANYTHING someone else made. Does not matter if its a useless statue of a a pig shitting or a camo sniper tower.

If people would stop focusing on destroying other peoples bases, towers, bunkers, ect and play the game right, it could be alot more fun.

^ that's what I've been trying to say. I approve of building (at least semi-functionally), I approve of shooting, but I strongly disapprove of destroying enemy structures just for the sake of it.

I decided to join the forums to have my two cents.

I was playing on a custom map server, for around 4 hours. The map had large chasm in the middle. I was on green and they were building a bridge across the chasm, and I was helping. Eventually I got bored of building, and switched to blue to do some fighting. We were being pinned down because the greens had a major advantage with the incomplete bridge. I announced to my team I was going to attempt to cross the chasm and take down the bridge (not by changing to green team though, I did it fairly). One of my teammates announced this to the other team claiming I was going to grief it, which I was not. For the next 15 minutes I was defending myself, only to be kicked for accused griefing.

In this time I had not griefed at all, I hadn't even crossed the chasm. I agree that needlessly destroying an enemy building is silly, but not if it is giving the enemy a MAJOR advantage, which the bridge was.

Just thought I'd throw that out there :P .

Many valid points in this thread. If you see someone building a useless structure such as a swastica, message, or house, do not grief it, just request a votekick.

It's a WAR game, if you want to build, play minecraft because thats what that game centers around, AoS is supposed to be CTF.

Build something usefull like a wall bridge or bunker, and thats fine, build some pointless statue or "hurr blue sux" and I'll collapse it.